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Temperature of Insulation Plate

05/03/2010 3:36 AM

I have a block of Aluminum 440x120x40 mm which I heated with two 1000W resistors to 300 ° C
Completely around that Al is a 20 mm thick insulation layer with Lamda 0.022W/mK provided.
Around this is an insulation layer of 10 mm equipped with a Lamda 0.27 W / mK.
What will the external temperature of the insulation plate to the outside?

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05/03/2010 8:30 AM

Apart from this sounding suspiciously like a homework question, it's not clear. Do you mean the temperature of the outside of the outer insulation layer? What's the difference between insulation plate and insulation layer? Is the whole set-up in air? What air temperature? Still air or forced draught?

If the 2 x 1000W is input continuously, the Al block will reach an equilibrium temperature at which heat loss = 2000W. This temperature could be estimated, but it may well not be 300°C. If the heat input is adjusted to maintain 300°C there's no need to specify the wattage. Then again, the heat input could be continued till 300°C reached, then switched off. In that case, the outside temperature will rise to a maximum, then decrease.

Whichever scenario it is, an important factor in heat transfer is the convection from the outer surface to the surronding fluid.

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05/03/2010 9:21 AM

It is the temperature of the outside of the outer insulation layer. People can reach it by hand therefore temperature should be limited to max 45°C.

The first isolation plate can go to 600°c, but this a very weak plate, the second is has a high hot compressive strength but the max recommended service temperature is only 288°C.

The block is installed in a fume cupboard.

The heat input is adjusted to maintain 300°C with temperature regulator

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05/03/2010 4:59 PM

I once made one also. Be careful that your temperature control is failsafe. Mine wasn't and the aluminum melted.

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05/03/2010 8:46 AM

Since you claim to have the block of Al and are heating it, just measure it.

Or, is it homework?

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05/03/2010 8:59 AM

it is under contruction

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05/03/2010 9:21 AM

Never mind.

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05/03/2010 10:06 AM

You have to increase the first layer from 20 to over 30mm in order to get a wall temperature around 40°C. At 30mm the wall temperature is still 43°C. I had to make some assumptions about the convective resistance but even if I am wrong the order of magnitude will not be changed.

The second layer has almost no effect due to its lower thickness and higher conduction.

Its thermal resistance is almost 25x lower so that thermally it can neglected.

I give you results but no ways to come to them since I consider that if you make such a construction you should at least look how to compute the wall temperature on your own.

There are free available books on the web to download with clear explanations and guide lines via examples.

If when using such a book you have difficulties I shall glad to help you understand.

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05/03/2010 10:21 AM

what Q value are you using? Q=lamda x A x (T2-T1)/d

Can you send a link with calculation examples.

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05/03/2010 11:06 AM

As I wrote look at the web offer via google at the domain "heat transfer".

There is a VERY good book from (I think) Lienhard you can download for free and get ALL theoretical support for all heat transfer situations as well quasi-static as dynamic (transient).

After you look at it I would suggest you recalculate the heating power and try to match it to the needed one if not you can get problems with the temperature regulation.

As a help you can put your equation also in the form Q/A=λ*Δθ/t all units in same system.

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05/04/2010 12:28 AM

Water cool it? I mean the insulation plate. Then adjust at will, Ky.

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