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Output Voltage Problems with Max5033 Buck Converter

05/12/2010 1:48 AM

HI All,

I am working with MAX5033 to step a 50VDC to 5V, to driving some logics.
For this buck config, Trace & values for wheeling diode, output L, BST cap, VD Cap Cin/Cout, FB line are checked and the recommended values was taken.
However the O/P was weired.... It just got some v.drop respect to the Vin (rather than a fixed 5V) and it follows the Vin if it goes 7.5V or higher... and finally the chip blowed, the output vanished.
model: BUSA.

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Re: Output Voltage Problems with Max5033 Buck Converter

05/12/2010 10:41 AM

Did you have the output loaded? Is this a bread-board, or a real Printed Circuit Board? There are so many questions that would need to be answered before anyone here can be of assistance. There was obviously something wrong with the circuit, but only you are going to be able to find where the error was made, we can try to help, but remote troubleshooting is a difficult task.

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05/12/2010 11:21 PM

Having looked at the data sheet, if your are following the circuit exactly the only thing I can see that would give you the result you got was, if you have a circuit bridge between the pins 7 and 8.

Like the National Semi versions, these switchmode regulators are pretty straight forward if you follow the datasheet.

Suggest you look at your construction method.

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Re: Output Voltage Problems with Max5033 Buck Converter

05/13/2010 3:05 AM

Did you use MAXIMs EESIM online design package?

You should have something like this:-

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05/14/2010 5:43 AM

thanks for comment,

I think I have the following variations from the datasheet circuit:
for some reasons, my Cin is of rating 330uF, 100V, and the fly wheeling diode i can only got is schottky 1N5817 for Vf = 0.45V, other parts are the same.

The output load I tried ranging from a LED running 2mA thru a resistor, and to a resistor of 25ohm, which aimed to run 2xxmA. The shutdown divider should be working properly according to the given formula for R3,4..hpmh.

lastly, I removed the BUSA and all components, rewired by hand onto another DIY PCB... it doesn't help.

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05/14/2010 6:47 AM

For the fixed output parts 5033A/B/C you shouldn't have Rs 3 and 4: just R1 and R2 for shutdown divider:-

The only Application diagram I can find with R3 and R4 is for the variable output part 5033D. The pot is used to set the voltage at the feedback pin:-

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05/14/2010 1:13 PM

was an typo error. R1 and R2 are the divider and my R3 is short and R4 left open for fixed 5V version

sorry for misconfuse

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05/14/2010 9:42 PM

The 1N5817 cannot be used for a clamp diode in this instance, it is a lower current, 1 amp device. It sounds like your circuit was not 'running' and your output was just the internal losses from the input voltage. The 50SQ100 is a 5 amp diode available from DigiKey, made by Vishay. If you can't find one, look it up online. Double check your wiring against the data sheet and your component values, your symptoms indicate it is not oscillating, when you ran the input voltage up, you finally exceeded the DC limits and the chip blew.

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05/15/2010 3:35 AM

You did not mention as to exactly how much current you finally need, but if you cannot get your design to work, may I suggest another chip which I have personally used with great success for up to 5 amps output (and two together for 10 amps output) which is the LT1074/LT1076 family of chips, it simply worked first time too:-

LT1074/LT1076
Step-Down Switching Regulator. The LT®1074 is a 5A (LT1076 is rated at 2A) monolithic bipolar switching regulator which requires only a few external parts for normal operation. The power switch, all oscillator and control circuitry, and all current limit common Buck Converter with Output Voltage Range of 2.5V to 50V.

Operates Up to 60V Input. 100kHz Switching Frequency. Available in Low Cost 5 and 7-Lead Packages. Only 8.5mA Quiescent Current. Programmable Current Limit. Micropower Shutdown Mode.

(Look for the data sheet online. In the worst case, I can send you a copy if you wish, just let me know and send your "proper" email address via the CR4 email system....do not put your proper email address on this blog.....)

But only if you do not manage to get your own working......maybe you are having problems from a cheap Chinese copy/forgery of the original chip, there are a lot of bad chips around on the market today - sadly!!!

Recently some At-Meg microprocessors were forged and all they had in the middle was a chunk of copper, no electronics at all!!! But mostly forgeries will have some electronics and will "attempt" to work, this could be exactly your problem(s)....it will simply drive you crazy trying to "fix" the problems.....

Best of luck.

Re-edit 5 minutes later!!

I just checked out the MAX5033 and its only for upto 500ma, so my favourite chip is a bit overdone with the mini version giving upto 2 amps out, but it does work, uses few external components and is reliable too......the final choice is of course yours....

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05/17/2010 4:20 AM

This afternoon I gone through the datasheet and your inputs.. thanks all.
I finally put aside the scope and started on some mechanical work and explore the chip....

I worry that "chuck of copper in the middle" and "attempt to work" mentioned by Andy is refering to my photo which taken under a microscope 2 minutes before....

THE 5033 BUSA mark is still recognizable after N-time soldering works...

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05/17/2010 7:51 AM

Are you saying that it was a forgery, or just that you have not only dismantled the chip (in some drastic way) and it now is as good as being a forgery, eg. it does not work anymore?

Have you managed to get your power supply working with a new chip?

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05/17/2010 9:30 AM

our team purchaser bought 10 pcs NEW BUSA from a "IC supplier" thru a web.

I totally tried 3 out of the 10, and my colleague suggested me to dismantle one of the 3 failures... The photo is showing the 2nd one I tried.

The copper inside now... some how difficult to make me to beleive it is a chip / semiconductor..., the package was too brittle too. And the VCC->GND Resistance show 384k ohms for the rest of the 10.. , which seems to be normal.

I think i need to handle with our purchaser before I can get a "new" and "functionable" chip..... f

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05/17/2010 6:04 PM

So you appear to have been sold forgeries.

I am pleased that my comments appear to have been helpful to you fixing the problems.......

Sad in a way for you though at the same time that the help was even needed.... forgeries have become really big business all over the world...Up to now I have been lucky.....

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05/19/2010 10:11 PM

HI all~

Lesson. Our team exchanged 3 new pcs of IC from the vendor and then I got back my on-board low-voltage-facility working properly .~ The orignal aim is to reduce one ext DC source and make the board more handy.

With your supports and vendor's free lecture, I gone thru. a review on SMPS buck design, flywheel diode selection, even layout basics and exp. in working whom selling forgeries.

Finally, some figures here:
Ultimate load is 16x8mA TTL loadings, which to turn on some ICs which 50V, and 1N5817 works fine yet for the load current.

Good luck All~

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05/20/2010 6:52 AM

I can sincerely say that all were very happy to help you and we are also glad that your vendor replaced the chip forgeries with proper chips.....and that everything now works.

You did all the hard work, we only made suggestions.

Have a great day.....

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