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Length of Tape on A Reel

05/12/2010 5:14 PM

Hello,

I am attempting to inventory some reels of surface mount components and am coming up short on an accurate way to do this. I have tried several different methods derived from formulas found online but none of these methods seem to produce the same results (or even anything resembling similar results). Can anyone out there help me.

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Re: Length of Tape on A Reel

05/12/2010 5:19 PM

Is the material consistent enought that weighing the reels can be considered? Or is this product micrograms per 100 meter?

Are the reels consistent enough to tare?

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05/12/2010 5:59 PM

The reels weigh very little as well as the components on them. For example a reel of 10,000 components can weight as little as 4 Ounces. I suppose if i had an extremely accurate scale that might work however there isn't one here that accurate. I also have several dozen reels all containing different components in varying weights, sizes, and densities. I was thinking something along the line of determining the length of the tape left on the reel, counting how many components are in a foot or an inch and multiplying. But, i have no idea if there is any consistently accurate way to do this.

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Re: Length of Tape on A Reel

05/12/2010 5:58 PM

Short of having someone sit down and individually unspooling and counting the individual devices on the tape, then no there isn't an accurate way of accounting for how much there is on a reel. There will some discrepancy in using the weight/counting method as there is the weight of the empty tape "tail" which will skew the numbers. Most surface mount components are the size and weight of roach poop.

The most efficient method is to keep track of the usage of the components on a given reel. Then reducing that number by 5% and writing that quantity on the reel. Good component loading robot operators do this as a matter of course. the percentage reduction is to account for components "lost" in the process of loading the board.

For most components like resistors and capacitors the money value is not sufficient to warrant more than a reasonable guess as to how much is left on the reel.

For most audit valuing purposes near enough is good enough.

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05/12/2010 6:24 PM

Thanks Tobugrynbak. That's kind of what i figured. If i knew the initial amount that was on the reel's that would work out great. But, i just got hired and have no idea. They apparently don't order full reels but rather cut tape so the amount of origination and the amount used on each build is unknown to me. Guess ill have to develop some system for them in the future to fix this guess work process.

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05/12/2010 6:20 PM

There are two ways to do this PROPERLY depending on your need for accuracy.

Almost every reel of SMT components is marked on the spokes with a series of numbers that represent the percentage of a full reel that remains. This is "easy" but not precise.

The other is to us the fact that components are in EXACT correlation with the sproket holes in the tape. That is, length of tape is a precise means to measure the number of components.

At previous employer we used "reel counters" that ran the components "reel to reel" and counted the sproket holes from first part to last part. These machines are relatively cheap to hire. Alternatively, carefully unspool the tape and measure the length. The pitch will be very accurate and you can calculate the count accurately.

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Re: Length of Tape on A Reel

05/12/2010 6:27 PM

Check with mfg.'s of the different components they should have info on how to estimate amounts left on a spool.

Like someone else said the placing robots/computers should have a counting function based on number of part placed. Operator should be able to log that number when changing the cassettes. Number of parts starting (new reel), number of parts placed, the different in parts remaining on reel. Subtract a percentage of loss in setting up the cassettes for machine use. Info the operator could suggest a number for loss.

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05/12/2010 6:56 PM

Awesome guys, these are exactly the kinds of methods and ideas i was looking for. Now i just have to figure out which one works best in the current situation. I didn't know that the manufactures counted. I was however, aware that there are many components lost in the manufacturing process. Are you sure that 5% is enough? The count doesn't have to be exact but i think i would rather error on the side of caution when it comes to ordering and stocking parts.

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05/12/2010 7:21 PM

In practice using 5% as your Fudge factor is plenty. Remember that it does become accumulative (or compounded) over time/usage.

As Just an Engineer (GA to you) suggested you can use the remaining tape length divided by the real estate the component occupies on the tape to divine a component count.

With My previous employer we weren't so concerned with accuracy of the resistor/capacitors(unless they were really really special) quantity count but certainly with the High value components we kept a close usage count.

On the identifying labels on the reels, there will be the original supplied quantity count, failing that you can (via google) dig up the data sheets on the various components. There at the end of the data sheets you will find the "packaging" information as how the components are shipped and in what nominal quantities.

Of course it begs the question what did your firm do before you came along?

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05/13/2010 9:17 AM

Try inside diameter of reel (in inches), plus outside diameter of tape left on reel (in inches), times the number of wraps, divided by 0.131, times number of components per foot.

This works for large reels that are wrapped in single layer. If its multiple layers across the width of spool it is more difficult but can be estimated.

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Re: Length of Tape on A Reel

05/13/2010 4:54 PM

Depending on how accurate you need to be, you can use this formula:

Number of Pieces = (Pieces/Length) * (OD2 - ID2) / Thickness.

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05/13/2010 11:11 PM

Just a suggestion but check your tape about every 18 to 36 inches for a 7 to 10 digit number. The number should be different on the last one or two digits each time you see it on the tape. Most manufacturers put a "counter" on their product as it is manufactured and wound on the reels. This tells you how much is on the reel and it tells them how much to charge you for.

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Re: Length of Tape on A Reel

05/14/2010 1:06 AM

weigh a length of tape accurately

weigh a full and empty spool

then do the math

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05/14/2010 2:12 AM

Sorry, but experience says weight doesn't work in this case. Spools are often made from recycled plastic and their material density is not uniform. The difference in weight is significant. Even the weight of the adhesive stickers used for inventory identification represent a significnat variation. The plastics of the spools and some tapes absorb humidity and others don't. Some carrier tapes are cardboard, some are plastic and their width (and thus weight) are not critically controlled.

The components are linked precisely to the pitch of the sproket holes in the feeder tape. Tape length or "reel counters" are the only reliable method.

A "large" component would be 0.08" long and 0.05" wide around 0.01" thick. These are supplied in cardboard tape that is 0.3" wide and 0.04" thick with a peelable transparent tape covering the components in small punched pockets. Our small bits were 0.04" long by 0.02" wide, also supplied in 0.3" wide tape.

We did twice yearly stocktake with over 500 open spools. The reel counters were simple to use, relatively fast and didn't strip the cover tape off components during the process. The sproket wheels on the counter are connected directly to a rotary encoder with 1:1 reading.

With partial reels, there is also a section of "empty" tape at the leading edge that varies in length depending on the opinion of the technician that unloaded the feeder. Part weight is insignificant relative to the variation in all the other materials involved.

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Re: Length of Tape on A Reel

05/14/2010 3:01 AM

can you go by weight

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05/14/2010 11:34 AM

Measure the wall thickness of the roll accurately with a vernier.

Divide by one single thickness measured with a micrometer or vernier caliper. This will tell you the number of wraps.

Calculate the mean diameter as core diameter plus 1/2 wall thickness.

Next multiply mean diameter x pi x number of wraps. This will yield total length in whatever units you started with. (If you started with mm then divide by 1000 to get total meters. If you started with inches, then divide by 12 to get total feet.)

Next, determine how many components per meter, foot, etc.

Multiply total length by pieces/unit and voila, your approximate answer.

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