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Alternator Calculation Conundrum

05/16/2010 12:10 PM

Hi folks; I've been teaching myself alternator design, trying to come up with a reasonably large alternator to run from a wind turbine to power my ocean-going raft. I've been composing my work as I go, mainly to keep track of it, to back up from my many brain-numbing confusions, but with a view to eventually posting it as a guide for future explorers. I'm an electronics tech, learned my trade in the late sixties, when we had real electricity, but I never got into electrical machine design, and it's proving to be a much deeper mudpool than I thought it would be. I asked some questions a short while ago, and received some welcome help, but soon wandered inadverdently from the trail again. So, I thought I'd post what I've got, to ask for any critique or corrections any kind soul would care to make. I think it's all good up to the current determination, where I'm getting numbers I don't believe. But, it could all be wrong! Any comments at all will be humbly and gratefully heard.

Thanks in anticipation, here it all is...

How to calculate the voltage and current output of an axial-flux alternator (All in SI units)

Example:

Design considerations: We need 120 Volts 3-phase AC at 40 Amps, at 180 rpm. The alternator needs to produce 170 peak Volts AC at 57 peak Amps, because the formulas all give instantaneous, peak values. The results will be reduced by a factor of 0.707 to give standard RMS value (this is valid because the current and voltage are pure sinewave). Having AC output allows transforming to another voltage if required. 3-phase produces a smoother output, and also allows the use of transmission cable whose conductors are 75% of the size of those used in single phase. The frequency of the AC is not important, so the rotation speed can be low, which puts much less stress on everything involved, and keeps the noise levels down. 24 poles (electromagnets) are used because more poles give more effective generation at low speed. Elecromagnets enable control of the exciter field and thus control of the output voltage; useful for automatic voltage regulation. If output voltage control is not required, permanent magnets can be used instead; change the figures for B in the formula to suit the field strength of the magnet used. Neo blocks are about 0.6 Tesla.

The rotor disk holds 24 electromagnets, spaced 1cm apart, whose cores are mild steel 4mm thick. The field strength B is 1 Tesla, which is the approximate optimum for mild steel, taken from the B/H curve graph. From the same B/H curve graph, a magnetic field intensity H of 800 A-t/m is required to maintain a flux density B of 1T. H is A-t/m; MMF per unit length (ampere-turn/meter); H = NI/l; 100 turns x 32 milliamps / 0.004m = 800A.t/m

The electromagnet core is 2cm x 6cm x 0.4cm; perimeter of 16cm. Using wire gauge tables, 32 milliamps can be carried safely without overheating by AWG 34 enamelled winding wire, which is 0.16mm OD, and has a resistance of 0.856 ohm/m. 25 turns will fill the first layer, and 4 layers of 25 turns each will make 100 turns. Each turn is 16cm, 100 turns = 16m. At 0.856 ohms/m, 16m is 13.7 ohms. E = iR; so 0.032amp x 13.7 = 0.438 volt drop over each coil. The 24 coils are in series; 0.438 volts each gives 10.5V as the maximum exciter voltage. 10.5V @ 32mA = 337 milliwatts exciter power draw.

The stator disk has 18 air-cored coils, all spaced 4.3cm apart, each 1cm thick, 5cm wide x 9cm long. Each coil has a median area of 22.5cm2 and is oval-shaped, arranged with the long axis in the radius direction. All coil centres are at 26.6cm radius. The 18 stator coils are arranged in 3 groups; 6 in series in each of 3 phase legs. Required phase voltage is 170V, so each of the 6 coils needs 28.33V across it.

The magnets and coils are in close enough proximity to ignore the separation distance in the calculations. In practice, as long as they're within a couple of millimetres, these figures will be fairly accurate.

Output VOLTAGE is calculated as follows:

Volts per turn: V = -N (∆Φ/Δt) This relationship has been found experimentally and is referred to as Faraday's law.

(The minus sign before the N can for these calculations be ignored)

N is one turn: (assumed for simplicity)

Calculate ∆Φ: (how much the flux changes, minimum to maximum, in Webers. Assume minimum is zero)

Magnetic flux Φ = B x Area.

B is 1T; median Area of coil is 22.5cm2 = 0.00225m2; (ie area of loop drawn through the centre of the winding in plan view)

Φ = B x A; = 1 x 0.00225; Flux rises from 0 to 0.00225 Webers.

Calculate Δt: (how fast the flux changes from minimum to maximum, in seconds)

Rotor speed is 180rpm. Coils are mounted at 26.2cm radius on rotor; circumference at radius is 1.67m; x 180/60 = 5m/sec. Each coil is 0.05m wide and, as the rotor disk rotates, is half-covered by a magnet in 0.025/5 = 0.005 seconds (from not covered to half-covered is the maximum change, ie when the magnet is directly over one side or leg of the coil)

V=−N (∆Φ/Δt); = -N (0.00225/0.005); = -N x 0.45.

A magnet of 1 Tesla flux density and 12cm2 area, moving past a 4.3cm coil at 5m/sec, generates 0.45V (peak) per turn.

So, for the required 28.33 V across each individual coil, 63 turns per coil are needed (in round figures).

Output CURRENT is calculated as follows:

E = iR = - A ∆B/∆t: The induced current depends on both the change in magnetic field and the area of the coil. Each turn of the coil contributes to area A, so the induced voltage will be proportional to the number of turns in the coil. But the induced current does not increase with increasing number of turns because that increases the length of wire and so increases the resistance. Consequently, the resistance used in the formula is just the resistance of one turn, not the whole coil.

Amps per turn: I = V / R (current is the same regardless of the number of turns in the coil)

From above calculations, for one turn;

V is 0.45

Calculate R: R is the DC resistance of the wire in the coil, taken from standard wire tables. AWG 12 enamelled winding wire can carry a current of 41A without overheating; it is 2.05mm OD, and has a resistance of 0.0052 ohm/m.

The stator coil is 1.6cm thick, so 8 turns of 2mm diameter wire will fill the first layer, and 8 layers of 8 turns each will suffice for 63 turns. The inner perimeter of the 2cm x 6cm coil is 16cm. 8 layers is a 1.6cm thick winding, so the outside dimension of the wound coil is 5.2cm x 9.2cm and the perimeter of the outside layer is 28.8cm. The average length of a turn is thus between 16cm and 28.8cm, let's allow 25cm. At 0.0052 ohms/m, 25cm is 0.0013 ohms.

So, the instaneous peak current induced in one turn is;

I = V / R; = 0.45 / 0.0013; = 346 amp (peak). ***SURELY THIS CAN'T BE CORRECT?***

Converting peak values to RMS values:

The 16 coils are arranged in 3 groups of 6 in series and in phase. Each group is swept by a magnetic field twice every revolution (induction occurs when the magnet arrives and also when it leaves). So there are 6 pulses of induction (plus and minus once for each group) every rev; 3 revs per second is 18 pulses of 250 amps (peak) per second.

RMS current is 0.707 x 346 = 244.6 amps, and RMS voltage is 0.707 x 28.33 = 20.03 volts.

Thanks again for reading all this,

regards, Ormusgold

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Re: Alternator Calculation Conundrum

05/16/2010 11:51 PM

My god Man, What do you plan to do that requires all of this setup ?

There are thousands of cruising sailboats moving around the world with their primary source of electrical power from wind and sun. Yes it is based on the use of DC. What are you planning to do that you can't use DC and convert some of it to AC as needed ?

Wind generators and solar panels are better and cheaper each year. Please give us more of the reasoning for the very special AC system >

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05/17/2010 12:17 AM

Hi, not too smart;

Having worked on boats in remote ocean areas, I know the problems and I'm trying to minimise the ones I know about. You won't find many, if any, ocean-going vessels powered by DC motors, for reasons which should be obvious. I don't wish to deal with the problems of brushes, commutators and slip rings in a remote marine environment. I won't be anywhere near sources of technical help, let alone parts.

As for sails; tried sailing off a lee shore into a cyclone? My design will do that, no problem. If there is no wind, I'm in no danger, and I don't mind drifting peacefully. For manoeuvering in a harbour, I have auxillary power.

As for "äll this setup" it's an alternator, driving into a nice, strong, reliable induction motor, with a small control box to adjust the motor speed via the exciter of the alternator. Simple, I thought, certainly a lot less complex than most sailboats, and a lot more user-friendly. Don't need tall masts for one thing. I can go under bridges whenever I want.

Any technical comments regarding my question?

thanks,

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05/17/2010 12:27 AM

Hi again not too smart,

sorry, that other reply was from me, I forgot to log in before replying.

By the way, in case it's not clear from my first post, the alternator I'm trying to design is a brushless type, with no slip rings, and is mounted directly on the rotor of the wind turbine so cooling takes place proportionately to the operation speed. I should probably also mention, before you recommend a DC trolling motor, that my vessel is 85 feet long and 31 feet wide, about 6 tons.

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05/17/2010 1:08 AM

Pehaps I let myself get thrown off a bit when I started to see equations.

My orientation was sailing vessels and I'm still not clear on your primary mode of travel. Yes anything as large as you describe will need power on occassion.

I was thinking that the present state of DC powered vessels was at least good enough for in harbor use. The control systems I've seen seemed pretty straightforward. You can tell I am not an electrical engineer or technician and although comfortable around old cars and boats, have never been sympatico with AC issues.

Hope this august group can help to fill in the fabric of your adventure.

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05/17/2010 4:00 AM

Hi not too smart, (and all)

thanks for your interest, and for your comments; I probably shouldn't have mentioned that I needed this for a boat. Now I'm getting comments about how my boat should be, and so far no technical help on alternator design. Oh well, that's forums, I suppose.

I think I've seen my error, by the way, just in case any electrical engineers are reading this thread; am I correct in thinking that the peak current figures are so high because I haven't loaded the alternator? Like, if I drove it into a 120Vrms 4800W induction motor, that would load it down to 40 amps, wouldn't it? Or am I still missing something? Rhabe, are you out there?

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05/17/2010 1:32 AM

I get lost in your calculations when you switch from Tesla to Weber...

This sounds like an intriguing project, but, having spent a number of years sailing about the open ocean in a small sailing vessel, I find it difficult to believe you are going to get anywhere near the power out of a wind generator that is available from sails. Sails work even when the breeze is too light to turn your generator- a fact known from trying wind generators as battery chargers (along with solar panels and towed alternators). Sails are going to capture significantly more wind than your wind generator will, which is why they work better in light airs.

Ever tried sailing close in in a cyclone? No- but some pretty significant gales. Reef down and point the boat away from land. I have even been in one situation where I had enough windage from bare spars to keep the boat moving down wind enough to steer. Not fun, but manageable...

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05/18/2010 2:20 PM

I have to agree with cwarner7 - you didn't mention anywhere what calculations you have done to determine your rotor size and configuration. You do realize that the power output of a wind generator is proportional to the cube of the wind speed? That means that you will have wildly varying power output as the wind changes even a small amount. Good luck!

Some information I saw recently on vertical axis wind turbines (to be mounted on top of a building) showed their output on a unit rated 10kW to be about 1200W with 14-15MPH winds - about enough to light a 100W light bulb! With that, payback on the system was 30-40 years or longer.

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05/20/2010 4:19 PM

This is an interesting project. There are some things I don't understand which perhaps you can clarify. I am by no means an expert in this stuff but, like you, I am a yachtsman and of necessity have some familiarity with alternators.

You propose a 3-phase brushless alternator producing 40 amps at 120 volts. The input power required to drive this device (disregarding efficiency - heat production, power factor, friction) would be √3 X 120V X 40A = 8314 Watts or 11 horsepower.

That equates to (11 X 5252)/180 rpm = 325 foot-lbs of torque. I imagine that amounts to quite a large radius for the blades. I wonder if the raft will reasonably support an 11-horse windmill?

You say that you want to avoid slip rings and brushes and thus you have opted for a brushless alternator. The brushless alternators that I am familiar with have both the field and the output windings on the stator iron. The rotor is simply a dumb piece of iron the purpose of which is to conduct magnetic flux. Yet you talk of the rotor comprising 24 electromagnets. How do you energize a rotating electromagnet without slip rings and brushes?

Finally, you state that frequency doesn't matter. If you intend to drive a 3-phase induction motor I rather think that maintaining the design frequency would be important. In this, I am quite out of my depth - but I would check that out with someone who knows.

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