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Electric Tester

05/26/2010 10:08 AM

How does a tester work? I have done checking phase and myself as ground but Ii never understand why I'm not getting shocked.The circuit is closed now, is it the resistance in series or vacuum in bulb or a positive charge is developed from ground? Please help I'm a graduate EE.

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05/26/2010 10:33 AM

There is a fairly high value resistor in series between you and earth.

If you remove it and bypass it, then you will get a shock!

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05/26/2010 10:35 AM

Any tester works by the skill, capability and training of the operator using it. For a more refined detailed answer, you will have to identify much more clearly what kind of a tester you have and how you are using it.

I'm very worried though that you believe that you should be getting a shock from whatever you are doing. Until you get a good understanding of what is going on, stop whatever you are doing. With the exception of some carefully designed medical devices, stun guns and a few very kinky toys; people should never expect to get an electric shock.

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05/26/2010 10:43 AM

I didn't put these two threads together earlier. We maybe working on a Darwin award here.

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05/26/2010 10:56 AM

Hello redfred.

Let's hope he doesn't become a Darwin Award winner

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05/26/2010 11:05 AM

I agree, whole heartedly. But if he didn't learn from the earlier thread, the qualified people around him, and his formal EE schooling then I only hope that he doesn't take anyone else with him.

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05/26/2010 11:40 AM

What you say a tester is very complicated to explain? 'nb:those who are working for awards'

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05/26/2010 11:12 AM

Boy, you'd better didn't say you're a ee graduate.

First of all, you are not ground in no ways, you're just capacitively coupled to the grid all over your building, that's why you get the lamp lit when checking a hot line while touching the other probe or ground wire; you can approach the same results if you use a meter, not reliable though (nor advisable either, 'cus one day you might happen to be using a low impedance meter, if so, you WILL get zapped if touching ground or other phase).

You can verify what I say touching the probe of a scope and see that the waveform has exactly the frequency of your supply lines.

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05/26/2010 11:21 AM

OK, you would be ground (or better said, grounded) if standing bare-footed.

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05/26/2010 11:17 AM

I dont think we can help you on being graduate EE.

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05/26/2010 11:29 AM

I submit it as 'know' not 'now' i am not doing any experiment here with myself. The forum is edited by someone.

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05/26/2010 11:34 AM

Thats great me capacitively connected to ground or series to high resistance which one is the right sir?

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05/26/2010 11:47 AM

Both are correct. Go back to your Kirchoff circuit analysis. That is if you really did obtain an EE degree. Oh and if you did, do your school a favor and don't mention which school you graduated from.

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05/28/2010 2:28 PM

I think he means Elementary Education.

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05/28/2010 2:38 PM

Quite possibly EE is an Elementary Education level in the Electrical Engineering section here. If your correct then this is CRIMINAL.

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05/26/2010 11:36 AM

Clearly English is not your native language. But your initial posting does not use the word "know" or "now" at all. So this comment makes no sense.

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05/26/2010 11:57 AM

Mr. redfred i hope you are not drunk i asked the question and you dont even have the patience to read it fully.i hope you did your nursery well. You have a chance to prove yourself giving convincing answer.

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05/26/2010 12:00 PM

HEY, you little snot! I'm trying to prevent you from killing yourself and others and you reply with an insult!!!!

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05/26/2010 12:20 PM

Oh, hithuanand. Oh my goodness.

I suspect that cooperation will pretty much end. I'm outa here.

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05/26/2010 11:38 AM

Oh, this is just great.

Original post edited by CR4 moderation team, and changes the context of the question.... boy oh boy.

[edit, to redfred] I believe he is correct. I believe the phrase "The circuit is closed now" was "Know" in the original posting. The posting was heavily edited for language and readability. I hope I don't have to bet my house on this, though... I'm not that sure. CR4 Admin? Your turn.

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05/26/2010 11:58 AM

Yeah I did overlook that "now" but the English is so fractured that I overlooked that one. The EE fundamental knowledge though are clearly so lacking that I seriously worry for the health and safety of this person working around the lethal voltages that he mentioned in the earlier thread. At the very least I had hoped for a manufacturer's name or model number of this "tester" to be able to even start to assist this person.

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05/26/2010 12:18 PM

I respect you Mr. Redfred.I expect the working principle of tester and you can stop worrying about the person.some got a different style of asking to get a real answer. This forum is a great help for me you realise if you studied here and try to get a good job.

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05/27/2010 3:51 AM

"Well, nobody told me about the break down in communications".

hithuanand do you mean one of these

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05/27/2010 8:21 AM

Or maybe the older version for that had two leads. The EE's, myself included, used to amaze our liberal arts friends in college by putting one end into a receptacle and then grabbing the other lead and lighting the bulb. We would tell them we had very high resistance from being juiced so many times. They all bought this line.

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05/28/2010 10:12 PM

Yes that is the one i was talking about.thanks for adding picture Randell.

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I looked into the edit history - the title was made Proper Case but that is the only edit that was made to the original post on this thread.

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05/26/2010 12:52 PM

He may be referring to those little screwdrivers with the resistor and NEON bulb. The voltage does not flow through you because it is a gas which is stimulated to glow under voltage. If it was a filament then you would definitely feel the not so friendly tingles. You can still get a little sting if your bare arm is resting on the metal enclosure.

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05/27/2010 2:44 AM

In the other thread, the OP was asking about a 110 kilo-volt system. Pointing a screw driver near this kind of voltage will quickly grant this person a Darwin award. We do not know what this tester is nor the voltages present. I won't say that anything here should be considered safe.

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05/27/2010 1:54 AM

Hi the type of tester that you are using is what we call a neon tester you have the bulb (neon) and a high resistance resistor connected in serries, this is a high impedance circuit, and only a low current can flow through it because of the high value of the resistor. But you have raised a good point, obvisouly there the Bulb (Neon) is not in a true vacuum, there has to be some from of gas inside, probally Neon Gas "Ne" is the chemical element sign for it, it is an inhert gas and when an electrical charge it passed through it, it will give off a reddish-orange glow.

On these type of testers the resistor is usally greater than 800000 ohms you body resistance is greater than 4000000 ohms to ground, so the volt drop across the tester (when testing 230vac) is about 150 volts and the voltage drop across the person is about 80 volts The current traveling through you body is less than 0.02 of a milliamp, this is not enough current to give you an electric shock.

But going back the your question about the Bulb (neon) it is my opinion that the bulb does not have the current limiting abilites alone to prevent an electric shock, it probally can carry a higher electrical current, but it would probally shit itself at some stage, the electrodes could bend due to increased magnetic fields and short out causing the bulb to not illuminate when voltage is applied to it.

The resistor is designed to reduce the voltage to the Bulb and limit the current.

I hope that this is the explaination that you were looking for.

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05/28/2010 8:56 PM

Thanks Mr. Joe,thats the answer i was dying for i feel confident about tester now. If you got time please be kind to explain my other questions like what happens in a 1000V meggar.

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05/28/2010 9:08 PM

Thanks for your vote of confidence Mr Hithuanand, but I seem to have missed the question about the 1000 v megger, could you reply to the this thread with the question again please

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05/28/2010 9:59 PM

Thank you for showing interest Mr. Joe i checked about megger updates its well discussed to clear my doubts. have a nice day.

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05/29/2010 5:35 AM

What if 400000ohms ie. The series resistance is lost and bulb is connected series with body? (lets assume the neon bulb wont get fused)

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05/29/2010 9:00 PM

You could get the Darwin award while lighting up the bulb brilliantly.

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05/29/2010 9:04 PM

I tell ya, he's gonna do it.

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06/02/2010 8:31 PM

No man i was just wondering what are the possible hazards happen if someone use a damaged tester and to bring modifications in future if possible. Here we get a tester we can remove resister,spring and bulb just by opening its cap. what you think ? when i was a kid i got shocked because i used a damaged one.

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06/02/2010 11:26 PM

when i was a kid i got shocked because i used a damaged one.

Well they do say "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" but it won't make you smarter. One of the problems with these devices is that current by design does travel through the body. The resistor and the handle insulation limits this current to acceptable magnitudes most of the time. But as you found out as a kid, it only takes one of several possible single point failures for one to get shocked with one of these tools.

These tools have been banned from my work site. Please be careful.

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