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Oxygen in Air

05/30/2010 12:14 AM

Does anyone know of a graphic or study or comparative table from where I can read the concentration of Oxygen in super heated air at various temperatures? I am interested in temperatures that go from 50 °C to 400 °C.

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05/30/2010 1:25 AM

If there is no flammable material to consume the O2 the concentration will remain the same as in room temperature (21% by volume). That temperature range is too low to form NOx gases.

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05/30/2010 2:14 AM

Thanks for your reply,

Let me explain the application.

I am using a heat exchanger to recover the thermal energy from the flue gas of a furnace.

The combustion air of the burner is heated through this exchanger. This is a common application to recover the spare heat energy.

There is a set point in the temperature range where this operation is no more viable because there is too little oxygen in the air. In this situation the fuel does not burn due to lack of oxygen.

Many years back I had seen a graphic giving the density of the oxygen on one scale and the temperature on the other. This is what I am searching for or any information that can help.

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05/30/2010 7:02 AM

Okay, thanks for the clarification. Air when heated in an open environment will remain unchanged in mass but will simply expand in volume i.e. its density will drop. Even if the air is heated to a temperature above 1,000oC, hot enough to form NOx, gases, the total mass of your sample will remain unchanged.

What is actually happening in your situation is that the oxygen in the air you are supplying is burning up some unburnt material in your exhaust. That's where your additional heat energy being produced actually comes from. If you know the chemical composition and mass of the unburnt material, you'll be able to calculate the additional amount of oxygen you need to supply to burn it all up.

I suggest that you get the chemical composition of your exhaust gas analyzed so that you will know exactly how much additional air you need to supply. Remember, you must supply enough oxygen to oxidize all your burnable material must be fully burnt to their fully oxidized form (e.g. CO to CO2).

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05/31/2010 1:09 AM

What I do not get is that if he is using a heat exchanger to preheat air using hot flue gas, there is a separation between the two streams and there should be no change in oxygen concentration. Bioramani

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06/01/2010 3:16 AM

Quite.

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05/31/2010 8:27 AM

It sounds to me as though you are using some thermal energy in your flue gas to pre-heat your primary combustion gas. If this is the case, then there is no change in the composition of your combustion gas due to the pre-heat. As others have stated, heating a gas doesn't change its composition because no chemical reaction is involved.

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05/30/2010 11:43 AM

Thank you for your clarifications and good information. You got me on the right track. I am using a constant volume blower so all I need to know is the coefficient of thermal expansion of air (will search on the net) and I can calculate the rest.

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05/30/2010 9:48 PM

I have awarded the cantankerous alien a GA. So should you.

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05/30/2010 10:44 PM

So have I.

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05/30/2010 11:05 PM

I don't have much time to look into the CR4 although I find it interesting. This time it was useful.

"I have awarded the cantankerous alien a GA."

Excuse my ignorance but if you can enlighten me on "cantankerous alien and GA" I will be happy to do so. I owe "Dvander1000" a favour.

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05/31/2010 12:04 AM

Hi Angelo,

It's just the humor around here leaking.

I think it dates from the autograph signing incident.

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05/31/2010 1:44 AM

I didn't follow the "autograph signing incident" but my question calls for a good laugh.

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05/31/2010 2:10 AM

Not about your question at all - he just ignored us and solved cell phone issues.

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05/31/2010 8:35 AM

Thanks for the GA guys, and I owe you an explanation for the cellphone incident. That schoolgirl told me that someone had rigged her phone to be used as a radio detonator for a bomb in the convention center, so I had to disarm the system to prevent the bomb from going off.

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05/31/2010 11:07 AM

Although the other posters have given you technically correct information, I believe they have missed your point. It is true that the oxygen concentration (volume/volume) remains constant regardless of temperature, the oxygen density (mass/volume) changes.

At constant pressure, T1/T2 = V1/V2, where V is volume and T is in Kelvin.

If your consider 25C to be "standard", at 50C the volume increases by a factor of 323/293 = 1.08. At 400C 673/293 = 2.3. The relative oxygen density is the inverse of this number.

So, if a burner requires 1 l/min. of air at 25C to properly burn, you must supply 2.3 l/min. at 400C to supply the same amount of oxygen.

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05/31/2010 12:49 PM

Thank you Tad, I've already worked out that formulation and presumably solved the problem. I will be trying the furnace with the new settings one of these days.

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