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06/13/2010 1:39 PM

i just have passed 12 with 87% aggr & 95% in pcm, i would like to join nasa as an astronaut. can u please suggest me a right path to my dream? ....what i should take bsc in physics or b.tech in mechanical engeenering????...........

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06/13/2010 2:26 PM

"i just have passed 12"

What does this mean? 12 whats?

My advice to you is to learn the English language, since you didn't get it when you "passed 12".

Astronauts know how to spell and properly punctuate sentences.

If you are qualified, join the Air Force. They will teach you how to communicate.

Where do you live?

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06/13/2010 6:10 PM

GA lynlynch.

It is probably the most important criteria for any scientist or astronaut that they can communicate well. Making a discovery is easy, you just have to be lucky. Getting people to understand and use your discovery that can be very difficult. We are not in your social group. We do not understand the abbreviated acronyms of "agr" and "pcm". We do not even know now if NASA will have astronauts in a few years.

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06/14/2010 11:27 AM

I fully agree with you, although if there is one place where acronyms abound it's NASA...or the extended military complex in general. It's almost like they communicate in code.

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06/14/2010 11:35 AM

Yes, they do communicate in acronyms but only once they know that all relevant parties know which unique acronym to use. Thus it is a preset code that they use, not an Ad-Hoc acronym selection.

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06/14/2010 11:50 AM

Sure you are right redfred, but....

for the millions of Indians, "12" and "pcm" are as obvious as "POTUS" is to you guys in the US. This is a 16 year-old kid, who is probably going to a cybercafe to do his browsing (parents can't afford a PC at home) ... be patient...

With > 21 official languages and > 200 dialects, is it not a nice thing that this kid is able to communicate a but after all ? As i read somewhere, "when you applaud a lion because he is walking on two legs, you applaud not because he is walking well, but because he is walking at all !"

Be a little more temperate with this child. That GA of lynlynch, much as I admire him, is not I am afraid.

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06/14/2010 11:56 AM

"...to communicate a but after all.." ..typo... should have been "...to communicate a bit after all ..."

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06/14/2010 12:03 PM

Nattering nabob of negativity.

lynlynch's answer is unfortunately demotivating and negative if not hostile.

Negative tone, rather than supportive.

The GA's indicate resentment of our fellow aspiring engineers.

Or the fact that they are "not from around here."

Too bad.

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06/14/2010 2:08 PM

Your forgetting a critical difference between a criticism and a complaint. A criticism (which I believe I and lynlynch have offered) implies that the critic believes the one criticised can learn from the criticism. Would you prefer the latter?

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06/15/2010 3:43 AM

CR4 is international Forum we all should try to avoid to use acronyms so that every one can understand the question in details. Many a times we come across local acronyms which only people from that country can understand. In this case it is young man from India who is in need of proper guidance. He has used local acronyms which have been clarified subsequently by our other friends from India. So let us help the boy to choose right career.

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06/14/2010 6:16 AM

Another typical response from the perfect lynlynch - my suggestion to you is to buy a blow up doll or a vibrator (possibly both) and work your frustrations out that way.

Clearly you have issues and perhaps counseling would help.

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06/14/2010 12:23 PM

As one sayig goes ... "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything !"

Why did you have to say all this ? CR4 doesn't demand that you answer everything you read, does it?

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06/14/2010 1:06 PM

Sometimes there are mean (sounding) things that need to be said.

But, if anybody has to hide behind 'anonymous' and show as a guest only, their comments are not worth posting, in any context.

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06/13/2010 2:35 PM

It might sound better if you say, I am 12 years old and would like to be an astronaut, could you suggest the best way to achieve this goal, ie what should i be studying ?

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06/13/2010 10:55 PM

Learn to spell. Avoid acronyms unless you're SURE your readers know what you're talking about, or explain what they are.

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06/13/2010 11:14 PM

Getting into a US Military service academy and mastering the maths so that you can ace aeronautical engineering and qualify for Flight career probably wouldn't hurt...

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06/14/2010 12:55 AM

i am assuming you are from India since 12 and pcm will be self-evident here...("12"th grade, after which one can do professional courses... engineering, medicine etc, and "pcm" means Physic, Chemistry and Mathematics, essential for engineering)

i appreciate your use of lower case "i" which shows humility. i don't know if you meant it that way. Please pay attention to what others have said here about unambiguous communication.

However, while it is good to dream of going into space, have you studied what Rakesh Sharma did here? Also look at biographies of Kalpana Chawla and Sunita Williams who were US citizens and went through NASA.

Better you apsire to be the brains behind the space shuttle. The great scientists and engineers who make it happen, not just the visible glory guys. Join ISRO if you can, after either MSc Physics or a good BTech...

Good luck in whatever you do...it requires lots of intense studying..which i am sure you are prepared to do.

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06/14/2010 7:55 AM

Is that common to use a lower case "i" in India to show humility? Of course, I mean when speaking english.

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06/14/2010 8:02 AM

Oh no .. far from it. But i started doing it when i read this article in NY Times... makes sense to me.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/magazine/03wwln-guestsafire-t.html

Please let me know if it appeals to you...thanks.

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06/14/2010 7:38 AM

Hi Young man,

Why you want to be Astronaut?. It is lonely place in space, also risky too. We lost Late Ms.Kalapna Chawla. If you are good in PCM then better try to get admission in IIT or in any good Engineering college. Pursue course in Computer Science and be IT wizard and latter on try for admission in IIM for MBA course.

God Bless You,

Suresh Sharma.

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06/14/2010 7:55 AM

And also as there are world wide only a few astronauts there is going to be a long wait, and a lot of competition.

But if its still what you want look at the links i sent on prvious post, and follow their advice.

I wish you every success in your dream.

Its good to have dreams, It gives you somthing to aim for.

As for dying in space, what a really good way to die, doing somthing you love.

So much better than dying slowly of old age, i think.

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06/14/2010 9:35 AM

Because this person is registered as a "Guest" he's probably not going to see these posts.

On another note:

If you want to find Gold, you have to ask somebody that has found gold. Not someone that has found copper.

That means coming to an engineering forum isn't going to get you the answers you're looking for unless one of us here just happens to be an astronaut.

You should probably think about getting degrees in a couple different fields. All the astronauts do. Astronauts are cross trained to take the place of a team member that might be incompacitated. So you have to demonstrate the ability to be competent in multi-tasking.

They not only look for the ability to excel academically, they are look for those that excel physically and you would be put through a lot of physical testing.

The best place to look is to find biographies on actual astronauts or look at a career guide for becoming an astronaut.

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06/14/2010 11:48 AM

Why bother with NASA? Look at all the private companies now involved in rockets, Low Earth Orbit spacecraft, and satellites.

And think about what specifically you want to do: to be an astronaut pilot, an engineer, a scientist? What is it you want to do, once you are in space?

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06/14/2010 8:26 PM

It is funny that hardly anyone answered the original question. Yes, communication skills are essential for such high profile jobs; however, the guy/gal has enough time on his/her hand to improve on those. Everyone makes assumption and so did he/she. Any decent engineer should have got good idea that "12" is 12th grade because he/she is asking about which bachelors' degree should be better fit. Almost everyone got into criticizing the person's use of acronyms and hardly anyone bother to simply ask what those mean. Given that CR4 got some of the best engineers, I am surprised they all acted this way.

For those who think commenting as guest means the person is coward or something...tell me how commenting with virtual id has any meaning? I can create any random email id and get any random user id and then comment. How is that going to associate with my identity? Yes, some comments are bad. And reason I am not commenting with virtual id is because I can't remember my password and am waiting for the email.

I guess even I didn't manage to contribute anything useful that will help that kid ... well that's cause I don't know the answer.

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06/14/2010 8:52 PM

I stand behind my constructive comments. And as US service academies have Foreign Cadets, it is practicable. Difficult, but achievable.

I thought that Jannissaries also provided good counsel.

I had posted shortly after the change in moderators about my hopes for a greater sense of community and encouragement see my post here:http://cr4.globalspec.com/comment/559901/Re-CR4-Admin-Blog-Intro

Thanks for your comment to help us all recalibrate, reflect on what we post here, and "why?"

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06/15/2010 9:45 AM

Nothing teaches us like history. Remember the Mars landing that went awry when numbers without defining units (English/metric) "put it in the wall". Hopefully this person, at the upper edge of childhood (children do all sorts of things to be odd, different, show off, etc. to separate themselves from older authoritative types), will enter a higher education institution that is capable is instilling the necessary tools of communication by the time of his commencement. If not, future employers, if not professors reviewing reports and papers, will filter him/her out. Even when times were good and many startup or expanding industries conducted mass hirings, the first few weeks found many newbies (in reviewing this post, I realized that maybe not all cultures understand the term "newbies. case in point) out the door because they didn't make the cut for many and various reasons. Could one of those reasons have been because they communicated in a self chosen way that made it difficult for fellow workers to understand. I used to work with someone heavily into rhyming and rap. I avoided asking him anything. Not a good way to communicate.

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06/15/2010 11:27 AM

Which is EXACTLY why engineering types are considered to be unstable by many mental health professionals. Over think, analyse, and criticise until you are simply ignored as irrelevant in 'normal' conversation.

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06/15/2010 11:41 AM

And why mental health / psychology types are considered abnormal by engineers.

Einstein taught us that there is no one true frame of reference...

And Heisenberg that there is no certainty...

We don't mind letting the Psycho-s borrow our Gaussian Distribution...

But we refuse to abide by it!

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06/15/2010 7:33 AM

I read an article about the astronauts on one of the most recent launches. If I remember right it was 4 astronauts. Three had a degree in mechanical engineering (one of those was a masters) and one had a degree in electrical engineering.

Your best bet may be to get a bachelor's in mechanical engineering and then a masters in aerospace engineering (basically a subdivision of mechanical).

Try googling degrees of astronauts or something like that and see what comes up.

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06/15/2010 9:29 AM

While NASA is an excellent dream, and one I whole heartedly urge your to pursue. I encourage you to look at the more likely jobs that those degrees lead to. There are MANY people who want to be an astronaut, and few are chosen. Often due to considerations beyond your control, such as less then perfect sight, accidental injury, etc. So I encourage you to look at the normal jobs for somebody with an engineering degree, and a physics degree, and chose what you would prefer. Another thing to consider is your desire to pursue an advanced degree. It seems that there are a lot more opportunities for a bachelor in ME then a bachelor in physics. So you may need to obtain a masters or PhD if you go the physics route, in order to have the career you desire.

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