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Light Industrial Steel Sheds Statistics

06/16/2010 7:05 PM

I'm stuck Guys

OK, this is home work in some kind of way. I have searched and asked Google and the Australian bureau of statistics but have no luck finding such basic(?) information. Here is my question:

How many corrugated iron, steel, light industrial sheds, structures are there and how many are anticipated to be built? You know, the buildings used as workshops and store houses. At least here they are to be seen every where. Light industrial areas are made of the stuff. Seems easy, doesn't it? I have phrased and rephrased but only get ......well.....not what I'm after.

I could call every manufacturer and ask them how business is going but can imagine an easier way. I really have tried and am stuck here. I would appreciate if any of the CR4rers could help out.

Thanks for your time, Ky.

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Re: Light Industrial Steel Sheds Statistics

06/16/2010 7:20 PM

World wide or just australia?

If I were to try just in a certain area or state in the USA, I could get such info from the Building Codes Division and maybe a look at statistics and info for that state.

If you were good at using an interface with a satelite imaging system, maybe you could find currently existing ones that way.

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06/16/2010 8:24 PM

Thanks for your reply farmatt. Australia would do for the moment.

If you were good at using an interface with a satelite imaging system, maybe you could find currently existing ones that way.

Yep , that would take me weeks just to count the ones in Queensland. I am not even good at searching and counting them, one by one? To be honest, I must be hopeless if I can't find these statistics.

I am just getting used to the word search engine and I know that there are many. Even after 4 years of dealing with computers I am still a novice. "Granddad knows" has gone out of fashion, its the other way around nowadays.

Bean counting? A pet hate of mine, Ky

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Re: Light Industrial Steel Sheds Statistics

06/16/2010 10:31 PM

Is it possible to call to find out how many permits were issued for corrugated iron, steel, light industrial sheds for your surounding area.

Phone: 1300 134 631
Fax: (02) 6290 8831
bca@abcb.gov.au

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs%40.nsf/mf/8731.0
AKA: Building Permits

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06/17/2010 1:19 AM

Thanks

Been there and rang them as well. Not much help, just related to dwellings and not what I am after.

Not easy it seems, Ky.

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06/17/2010 9:09 AM

Good morning ky.

In USA, there is an organization called Metal Building Manufacturers Association (MBMA). Every metal building manufacturer of any size belongs. here is their homepage.

While not certain, a person could probably solicit them for something like aggregate annual sales, number of units, square footage, things like that. Probably anticipated sales figures as well. They may be able to tell you about USA manufactured units for shipment to Australia.

But for discovery of existing structures... that, I suppose, would not be information they would have.

Is there a similar organization in Oz? A place to start anyway.

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06/17/2010 6:01 PM

Thanks Doorman

I had a good look but,.... nothing. I thought information like this would be freely available. For sure homeland security has not put a lid on it. I can't contact them personally because it would involve the question "Why do you want to know?" which would then result in me having to give away propriety information and I don't want that at this stage.

Once all is in place they will be the people to see, I know, and impressing them with real time stats, in a business plan, would make me feel like I've done my research proper, well......., more done by friendly souls like you really.

Me and bean counting have never mixed and I think in the end I will have to come up with an estimate. I would rather use real time figures though at least when it comes to what is in place.

Thanks for helping me with this, Ky.

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06/17/2010 10:58 PM

Ky -- Statistics like this are amazingly hard to put together. I think at this point your best approach would be to use Google Earth. But don't count everything. Do statistical sampling. How to choose your samples will take some thinking as well as local knowledge only one like you can assemble. Something like this:

Pick 5 or 10 municipalities of varying size and known population in one climatic region of the country. In each pick 2 or three areas of light industrial and commercial activity of known size and measure the square footage of roofs that are likely corrugated metal by observation. Again some on the ground surveying may be needed to verify which roofs are corrugated metal and compare them with the satellite images. Survey each group and calculate the square meters of roofs per square kilometer of land. Do some on the ground observations to come up with a multiplier that enables you to account for corrugated metal building walls.

Plot your results on a graph square meters of walls&roofs/square kilometer versus area or population of the city/town/rural area farm density. If no obvious relationships show then repeat your observations for second group of towns and other areas.

Follow the same general approach for rural areas based on average farm/ranch size. Eventually you will see a some relationships that will enable you to extrapolate the usage for large swaths of the country of varying forms population density, human activity and climate.

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06/18/2010 12:39 AM

Thanks Ed

Nothing wrong with doing the hard yards, which I have done. I thought the information would be readily available and I was just too inexperienced to find it. I'll extrapolate unless some thing better comes up. Nothing worse than being in a meeting and the guy across has a one pager that has all the data in it and I have only guesstimates.

She'll be right, thanks again, Ky.

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Re: Light Industrial Steel Sheds Statistics

06/18/2010 12:00 AM

Hi ky

Metal sheds under the Australian Building Code (ABC) are a class 10 building unless they have accommodation built into them.

Depending on the Local Government Area (council area or Shire) the area of the shed determines whether the construction requires a Development Application or not. That is, in most Sydney council area's a shed of less than 3m2 does not require any approval.

Even if you could contact all the garden shed and garage manufacturers that still wouldn't give you an accurate count as some people just make their own using a timber or metal frame and old or new sheet metal, roofing iron or corrugated iron.

I have three erected on my place so far and enough spare iron to put another 200m2 under roof.

I am not surprised that it is hard to get a figure that has any meaning.

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06/18/2010 12:52 AM

G'day Mate

That was a nice hint

class 10 building

I'll follow that for a while and see what I can find. A ball park figure is what I will end up with in the end. Maybe I should become a member of some corrugated iron collectors club, the ones that talk about nothing else.

Thanks for the input, Ky.

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06/21/2010 9:10 AM

Hi Ky,

Perhaps a rough figure could be obtained by contacting the listed shed manufacturers and asking for their sales numbers for a typical year.

You would wind up with a figure which would understate the number by an unknown amount, but it may give enough of a figure for you to work with.

Sorry, can't come up with anything giving better accuracy.

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06/21/2010 5:06 PM

Good one sceptic

I now have a +/- 10% figure. My calculator is running out of space and it would have been a good idea to invite all the "Ladies at the front desk" of said companies for a drink somewhere. After hours bean counting party sort of a thing. .

Me Missus would never find out, unless they talk to much!

Thanks for the advice, see Ya's, Ky.

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