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Circuit Breaker Fail Protection.

06/22/2010 8:00 AM

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A circuit breaker is designed to operate on fault, when the sensed current is above the preset current on fault conditions. How is the circuit breaker fail safe protection system designed? Also, how is autoreclosing made possible?

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Re: Circuit Breaker Fail Protection.

06/22/2010 9:30 AM

A circuit breaker will trip just above the set current. Which is waht it is supposed to do. It will clear the overcurrent as long as it is below its sc breaking capacity. If the fault current is ABOVE its breaking capacity, someone has made a bad mistake hasn't he? Any circuit breaker HAS TO have a short-circuit breaking capacity somewhat higher than the maximum short-circuit current that is expected at that point.

As for auto-reclosing, please try this link : autoreclosing

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Re: Circuit Breaker Fail Protection.

06/22/2010 9:32 AM

Put another circuit breaker in series with the existing one.

For autoreclosing buy an autoreclose relay.

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Re: Circuit Breaker Fail Protection.

06/22/2010 1:00 PM

There is an ISO Standard to which MCCBs are made these days. It might be worth a read, perhaps?

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Re: Circuit Breaker Fail Protection.

06/22/2010 4:46 PM

I think OP's concern is about the 'Fail Safe' design of a circuit breaker. The term 'Fail Safe' is used to Safe the system if there a Fail of something which is required for the protection of the system. For example, a circuit breaker protects the system, what happens if there is some internal fault within the circuit breaker so that it doesn't work properly when the system fault occurs. Should it keep the circuit close or open with having its internal fault? If it keeps close the circuit, the system is not protected. If the circuit breaker is 'Fail Safe', it trips with any internal fault within it, even though there is no system fault. Another example is - if the circuit breaker requires external control power, what happens if the control power is lost? Should it keep the circuit close or open without its control power? For the 'Fail Safe' design, the circuit breaker opens if the control power is lost.

The 'Fail Safe' is a generic term which applies to any electric protection logic. Some protection system may have an option to operate it in 'Fail-Safe' or 'Non-Fail Safe' mode.

Hope it is understood.

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06/22/2010 10:45 PM

Yes, there is a possibility that the OP is asking whether CBs can 'fail safe'...(i am not sure though).

In LV switchgear though, there are no-close situations like

(a) No incoming voltage ? The undervoltage coil will prevent closing

(b) CB partially withdrawn ? Closing prevented by interlock

(c) Relay taken out for maintenance ? ditto

(d) Closing springs not fully charged ? ditto

(e) Trip command from remote ? ditto

(f) Arc chutes removed for some maintenance ? ditto

some more interlocks may be possible...

So a fair degree of fail-safe is built into modern LVCBs. All CBs are also 'trip-free' meaning that closing and latching onto a system fault is not possible.

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06/23/2010 10:00 AM

For a well designed system, the circuit breaker is the fail safe. It servers to provide protection from someone inadvertently overloading a branch circuit. Devices on the branch circuit should themselves have some type of protection built-in which should act well before the breaker trips. If something is causing a breaker to trip, then you have a serious problem that must be corrected by a trained professional.

That said, on some commercial/industrial systems breakers have a button on them that can be pressed to manually test the breaker. If this is done for preventive maintenance then a breaker failure do to corrosion should be detected before a fault situation occurs. Also, if the current draw is high enough then main breaker will trip, but by this point the damage to the system has already been done.

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Re: Circuit Breaker Fail Protection.

06/23/2010 9:33 AM

If you are considering a fail safe like a valve, that when the power fails the valve opens or closed in a safe position, the circuit breaker is not designed that way. If you are worried for the HV breaker, which the control circuit is DC battery voltage, use a DC monitoring circuit to monitor the trip circuit power supply.

If your relay has (like GE UR relays) Breaker Fail monitor (but this function is if the fault occures and the breaker send opens command and still after a few cycles the current flows through the CT, the relays send another command to operate the upstream breaker to cleat the fault.

Under all circumstances that is why relay coordination is important that when the closest to the fault breaker in any reason can not clear the fault the next upstream breaker in line clears the fault.

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Re: Circuit Breaker Fail Protection.

06/23/2010 1:55 PM

Simply put:

The circuit Breaker will have a device that will react when the current flowing through its contacts is higher than the set value:

-- Thermal overloads are Bimetallic devices in general that will difform and push a pin (or else) in a way that will release a loaded force(spring) that will make the contacts to trip and open.

-- Magnetic: These are usually used to do the same tripping but when a high current (Short Circuit currents of the order of several 100s or 1000s amps) goes through.

-- Electric/Electronic: Some kind of C.T. will detect the current and use an electronic circuit to energise a Coil that will trigger as explained above, to release the contacts.

-- Maybe there are other methods, but all will finally trigger a kind of reserved force (Usually spring) to trigger the release of the contacts...

Auto-reset: This is a facility (not allways available) that will reset the Overload device to allow someone to re-connect the c.b. manually. If Auto-reclosing is required, then a motorised or powered C.B. is used to attempt to re-close the circuit after a delay. But this is a sophisticated installation and beyond this reply or OP.

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Re: Circuit Breaker Fail Protection.

06/24/2010 1:19 AM

Hi.

I was referring to the above figure, where 50BF is cb failure relay, and bfi is breaker failure instantaneous; and if both are present then only after a certain time breaker failure scheme output comes into function. What is BFI here?

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06/24/2010 3:31 AM

Dear,

(BFI) means "Breaker Failure Initiation". These Initiation signals are originated from the protection devices protecting this feeder stating that there is a fault. At the same time it starts the breaker failure (1st stage) timer.

Please note that in case of fault, all protection relays are sensing the fault including the breaker failure relay; however, the breaker failure relay would not respond to the fault unless the following conditions have been exist, and the (1st stage) time has been elapsed:

1- the fault still persist; (main protection failed to trip the breaker)

2- the circuit breaker still closed;

If the above conditions are there, the breaker failure relay will try to re-trip the CB. If the CB failed to trip and after the elapsed time of the (2nd stage), the breaker failure will trip all CBs connected on the same bus with the faulty feeder trying to clear the fault.

In some schemes of the (2nd stage) of breaker failure, tripping of the remote end breaker connected to the faulty feeder is added for complete isolation.

Hoping the above clarifies your query...

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Re: Circuit Breaker Fail Protection.

06/28/2010 12:47 AM

Hi,

Here BFI - breaker failure initiation as you indicated is through relay which closes its contacts upon occurence of breaker failure?

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Re: Circuit Breaker Fail Protection.

06/28/2010 1:36 AM

Hi,

Would you please elaborate your query a little more...thanks.

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Re: Circuit Breaker Fail Protection.

06/28/2010 4:10 AM

1. How is breaker initiation time established?

2. I am in need of unit turbine power output, head, weight and cost of a pelton turbine of rating above 10 MW. Can you please help me with this?

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Re: Circuit Breaker Fail Protection.

06/29/2010 5:12 AM

1. follow the link below to get an idea of setting the 50BF Timer;

http://www05.abb.com/global/scot/scot296.nsf/veritydisplay/c1256d32004634bac1256df000652a99/$File/1MRK505005-BEN_en_Breaker-failure_protection_RAICA.pdf

2. Regrets, I'm not in the field of generation; so, may be one of the members could help you in that respect.

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Re: Circuit Breaker Fail Protection.

06/29/2010 6:27 AM

Good link. Thanks. GA to you.

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