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One Parallel Generator 'Grabbing' Amps

07/01/2010 1:03 PM

Three identical generators.

When running individually with the same load each one displays the same Kw, V, Hz and Amps within tolerances.

When #2 gen is in parallel with either #1 or #3 or all three in parallel then #2 always shows about 500A more on the switchboard meter. There is Generator Automatic Control system that keeps the Kw balanced, even with the Kw the same in all the parallel generators #2 shows 500A more. When taking #2 offload the Kw is reduced to nearly zero before the breaker is opened, but the amps never goes below 500A until of course the breaker is opened, similarly when bringing #2 on load when the generator is synchronized and the breaker is closed there are 500A drawn immediately, even if the Kw is still near zero. Once the PMS is switched in the Kw are trimmed and balanced via the governors of each generator, but still the meter shows 500A more than the other one or two generators.

It is not the meter and it is not the CT's.

Any advice is appreciated.

Jeff.

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Re: One Parallel Generator 'Grabbing' Amps

07/01/2010 1:15 PM

How do you know it is not the meter? Have you checked with, say, a clamp-around ammeter?

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07/01/2010 2:12 PM

Thanks for the message.

No. But I ran each generator alone, with practically the same load and each one showed the same Kw and the same amps. It's only when #2 is parallel that the amp difference shows up. Also I measured the output of the CT's that supply transducers for the PMS system and supply the meters. When single running they are all about the same within a very small margin, as soon as #2 is in parallel the transducer input and the meter input (hence the reading) jumps up proportionally to the 500A difference.

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Re: One Parallel Generator 'Grabbing' Amps

07/01/2010 1:40 PM

This looks like an interesting thread to follow. It looks like the generator in question has an internal load. Is there a way to see if the gen has load running alone?

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07/01/2010 2:16 PM

Thanks Mike,

I like your thought process.

You mean run the generator 'off line' and try to measure if there is any 'internal' load.

These generators are on a ship, I don't have easy access, but I will try to think of a way. I think the CT's that supply the meter and PMS tranducers are upstream of the Air Circuit Breaker (ACB) so they only 'read' when the ACB is closed.

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07/01/2010 3:00 PM

My suspicion first goes to ammeter (or the transducer if it is used)) of generator #2. It seems strange but looks like this ammeter has 500A offset up to a 'certain ampere range'. When you run only generator # 2, the ammeter shows correct ampere, because the ammeter work ok beyond this certain range (after this range it doesn't have offset). This is just the way I can explain it. As Tornado already indicated, best way to find it is to verify the ampere with measuring the current using the clip-on meter first and if clip-on meter shows the correct reading, then either the ammeter (or the transducer) is faulty.

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07/02/2010 1:19 PM

You only show the list of meters available as kW, V, Hz and A. Has anyone considered kVA and PF? Could be a reactive power flow between the 3 gens when all are sharing the load, such that two are producing VARs and the other absorbing (or the opposite). If the PMS only looks at the kW, it won't consider reactive flows. Has anyone looked at the excitation system of the suspect gen? Is there underexcitation protection?

As for the meter, that would be easy to check by connecting the meter to an external AC current source. Depending on the CT secondary current range (0-5A?) you increase in steps and record what the meter reads for each. That's basic test. The other question is whether the CTs have some non-linearity in the operating range (unlikely). Have you checked that the CTs are the same on all 3 machines? Do you see the same 500A difference on all 3 phases of this gen?

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