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If the ceiling fan is on slow speed, does it consume less electricity?

07/03/2010 9:36 AM

If the ceiling fan is on slow speed, does it consume less electricity?

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07/03/2010 9:39 AM

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07/03/2010 11:18 AM

Why don't you turn him into a mindless toad?

Oh, never mind. Looks like you already have!

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07/03/2010 12:03 PM

This is just so cool! Until I had actually succeeded with the OP, I never knew that I could actually manipulate his midichlorians to mutate him into a giant three-eyed talking toad. I wonder what other Dark Side powers I possess that I have still yet to discover.

By the way, where and how did you get hold of the OP's picture anyway?

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07/03/2010 12:04 PM

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07/03/2010 1:00 PM

If I think real slow, do I use less oxygen?

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07/03/2010 1:07 PM

Now that's funny!

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07/03/2010 11:24 AM

It uses the least when it is turned off.

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07/03/2010 1:20 PM

Why are you guys so cruel?

Power consumption in a motor application is directly related to load. Load in a fan is the amount of air it moves. The air it moves is directly related to the speed of the fan. Ergo, slower speed = less power consumption. Specifically, the power requirement varies by the cube of the flow. So for example 1/2 flow = 1/8 power required to move the fan. Motor inefficiencies remain somewhat constant regardless of speed so the motor power consumption is a slightly higher percentage compared to the mechanical power output at slower speeds, but it is still dramatically less total power.

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07/03/2010 3:11 PM

GA, thanks for reigning us in.

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07/03/2010 7:58 PM

Ordinarily, I'd say the OP was a Geonosian because guys like him really bug me. except that he's not smart enough to be one.

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07/04/2010 7:44 AM

There are some persons in this forum who are always just interested in making fun of new engineers who are still in process of learning. Such questions are always expected from such boys and those who do not like them, I would suggest that they should simply ignore them instead of criticizing them or making fun of them. This is rather discouraging budding engineers.

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07/04/2010 11:33 AM

Sorry, I do not agree with you.

This thread and this Does slower fan consume less energy? do not resemble anything but homework.

Anyone with any training in electrical engineering would not ask such an elementary question and then demand the formulas as he did in the first post.

Any mature educated person would have to brains and courtesy to explain his dilemma up front. That person would have all the help they needed from many members of this forum.

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07/06/2010 8:22 AM

"Any mature educated person would have to brains and courtesy to .."- Oh Christ, stop with your pontificating. You are becoming more and more of a pain in the butt. I really don't understand why Admin have not blocked you from using this site. You somehow think that this site is here for you to belittle people and "show" how clever you are. You are neither mature, educated or courteous - you are just a cranky old f#"ker. Now piss off and die (Admin you can delete the last sentence if you wish but please try and regin in this idiot).

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07/06/2010 8:41 AM

Guest,

Sorry to read your comment.We are educated technocrats and we are not supposed use such kind of language. I read comment made by our friend but I rather decided to keep mum instead of fighting unending war of words.

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07/04/2010 4:31 PM

JRaef, you are correct once again.

One more point though is that the power factor of the motor is going to be reduced to the point that it could use almost as much current as at high speed.

If the poster doesn't understand the concept of power factor and simply uses a current measurement, he could conclude that the fan consumes almost the same "current".

This is often used to support the over unity claims. Reduce the system power factor enough and you can produce much more current for the same power. It makes that AMPs reading look good!

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07/05/2010 4:48 AM

provided you are not using resistive regulator to control speed

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07/05/2010 6:28 AM

No - whatever the type of regulator used the basic concept stands. Low speed is less power (drawn from the mains) and higher speed is higher power. Of course, I am disregarding issues like power factor.

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07/03/2010 9:40 PM

Guys, i think this guy is worried about his electricity bill. (At least he was, before Vader's experiment).

So, friend, if you have a rheostat speed controller, you will pay the same. Slower speed won't make much difference.

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07/03/2010 11:05 PM

In that case, the power consumed by the fan will still be less, but the heat dissipated in the rheostat will increase. As you say, the total will be about the same.

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07/04/2010 12:43 AM

Even then power consumed will be less at lower speeds since power dissipated in the rheostat is proportional to I x R while power consumed by the motor is proportional to I**2 x R

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07/04/2010 2:02 AM

Huh? E = IR, but P = EI = I2R.

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07/04/2010 2:25 AM

OK - I did not put it clearly enough. At lower fan speed the current drawn will be lower than that at higher speed. Hence total power drawn from the mains will be lower. At 0 speed (caused by very high resistance) the current drawn is 0 hence power drawn is 0.

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07/04/2010 2:46 AM

Fair enough. We shouldn't be arguing with each other; after all, we are in fundamental agreement that slow speed consumes less power, which is what this thread is about.

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07/05/2010 11:50 AM

Can some body who has a wattmeter and ammeter take measurements of speeds of fan and current/power consumed at various taps in each kind of regulators at the input and output sides and publish in CR4 for the benifit of all

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07/04/2010 10:29 AM

Nice bantering and answers for the most part. Are ther stupid questions? No, there aren't, just ones that aren't asked. Better the individual asks and risks being ridiculed than staying ignorant.

I'm sorry we're not all Tesla; even when it comes to "simple" matters, we all forget things, etc. So let it go. This guy could have answered his own question with a ltiany of self-help books for electricians or manuals but choose this forum instead (again). Yes, the lower the load the less power consumed should be a "no brainer," just be greatful he didn't ask about efficiency and how the lower movement of air volume affected an HVAC system!

He might be better off running the fan at higher speed versus having a compressor kiciking off/on frequently usung more energy than just running a fan(s) at higher speed.

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07/04/2010 10:57 PM

The losses in the fan regulator too should be considered depending on whether the regulator is resistor type or inductor type.Nowadays light dimmer type regulators too are used-snaban

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