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Best Friends Out of Work

07/11/2010 12:33 AM

why aren't there more places in our own country where German Shepard's are bred? over the years I have seen a serious decline in the general health of these truly wonderful beings. in Albania they are treated and bred properly and at great cost to us here at home. Dogs only know two things, "I love you" and "put me to work" . We all could learn so much from them. Does anybody know where we can get a "seed" dog?

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07/11/2010 3:53 AM

I somewhat believe in your assertion: why aren't there more places in our own country where German Shepard's are bred? over the years I have seen a serious decline in the general health of these truly wonderful beings.

What is your evidence for this statement?

I do believe: Dogs only know two things, "I love you" and "put me to work"

As far as the German Shepherd breed, I believe their popularity has waned a lot over the past 20 years. I see a lot of people getting golden retrievers and other breeds that require little or no training - laziness or lack of time. This is such a shame because there are so many breeds of dogs that have outstanding traits, and they ALL RESPOND POSITIVELY TO DISCIPLINE!!!!

In your tag line, is "psysics" really supposed to be "physics"? Yes? Then fix it!

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07/11/2010 9:14 AM

Perhaps he means "psychics"?

But then I suppose it ought to be "for those who are psychics, "The past, the present, and the future, become an illusion"

Cheers........Codey

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07/11/2010 12:08 PM

our own police forces are my evidence. Talking to K-9 units in my area, I have found that since the "breed" is almost dead (poor health , very, very bad breeding practices, too many "pet stores" , TOO many shelters overwhelmed, not enough LOVE ). Town budgets were also talked about, and since a well bred German Shepherd costs so much, well, the money is not there. An officer I spoke with lost his German Shepherd to a bullet, in the line of duty, and it has been very difficult to replace him.

I think that each town should implement, through their shelters, and media (news papers should dedicate a spot every week to "dogs & love").

Also, my son was an interesting source of information on the subject. He called me from Keokuk Iraq ( Army Ranger) and said, "Dad, they are not sending us everything we need to fight this war". I replied "What do you need son? ". He replied, "SEND ME TEAMS OF GERMAN SHEPHARDS". Enough said

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07/12/2010 9:48 AM

our own police forces are my evidence. Talking to K-9 units in my area, I have found that since the "breed" is almost dead (poor health , very, very bad breeding practices, too many "pet stores" , TOO many shelters overwhelmed, not enough LOVE ).

That being said, there have to some places that are running good programs. I hate to think that it's that bad everywhere.

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07/12/2010 10:05 AM

It is that bad everywhere because so much money and attention is given to show dogs (all great dogs too). Working dogs are expensive, and training programs are few and far between. kudos to search and rescue teams across the country. They live in the moment and all are very heroic. check out vsrda.org. my friends.

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04/10/2011 12:24 PM

let's start a discussion were in we fix this problem. There are so many German Shepherd Dogs (and their handlers)(and needs to be more) Hero's All, out there just waiting to go to bat for us and hit home runs. I think we need to implement programs already in place to get more teams to the forefront of security forces all over the world. Especially in Arabia. Being able to use their noses to "view the present" puts these dogs (teams) at the top of my list of first responders, in ANY situation. Of course there are many other dogs that are just as good, but GSD's are my favorite. We must let these people help us in this new fight. In fact I bet you that many,many more lives will be saved.

I have done my own research and some low key testing, and found GSD's can "smell " people with ill intent, and can sense explosives even quicker .

We should remove more and more of our ground troops from Iran and Afghanistan, and send in more "security teams" to replace them, along with opening up more training centers. I think people would jump at the chance to serve our country in this way, and best thing is .... it's a dog.

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07/11/2010 11:41 PM

Our beloved GSD is recognized as a breed for barely more than one-hundred-twenty (120) years now. The dog was developed from herding dogs of Thuringen, Germany and developed for the first several decades by Captain Max von Stephanitz. The dog is first a herder and guardian of sheep, and second a loyal and protective companion with utility in mind for police and patrol work.

Although the dog did enter the U.S.A. after the first war, it was after the end of the great war that the dog was really recognized for the legend that it already was. By that time the dog resembled the GSD that we know today and was a far cry from its ancestors. The dog does well until breed fanciers in the U.S.A. decide to develop it into a "show" dog of beauty and grace and forgo the working qualities of the dog. To a lesser extent in Germany, the same thing was happening.

The GSD developed into three (3) basic groups - the American show-line, the West German show-line, and the working line dogs. The last group is from where the serious dogs still come. At least with the West German show-line the aptitude for working ability was kept in the form of working trials. The breeding qualifications there were also much more strict than in the U.S.A.. The dog had to be approved for breeding, and could only do this after rigorous testing.

During the late 1950's the last true hard-core yet beautiful GSD, the Troll von Richterbach is imported to the U.S.A. to become the foundation stud of what became the American show shepherd. His most famous American son is the Lance of Fran-Jo. Look up the Lance in the breed archives, as he has the image that U.S.A. breeders wanted.

In Germany things are changing as well. "Correct' West German dogs begin to demand a good price and the West German show lines mutate as well to become what is so easy to distinguish today. Money talks.

During the last few decades of the dark days, the dogs who remain closest to the original ideal are still being produced in East Germany and Czechoslovakie. The Eastern Bloc breeders are not working for beauty-they are working to maintain a dog of correct drive and vigor. One finds many of the true working-line GSD's are still coming from these breed lines.

Our working-line GSD has been replaced largely by the Belgie Malinois. The Malinois has not been ruined by the beauty pageants that have caused the demise of most working dogs. Lighter, faster, and with a different type of drive - the Malinois is now the dog of choice for patrol work.

But, there is no true comparison between the Malinois and the GSD; unless one makes the comparison between the 9,0mm para bellum round and the .45 ACP. Both are deadly, and both will do the job; but the .45 ACP has the knockdown power lacked sorely by the 9,0mm para bellum. In close quarters, the GSD has the definite advantage of size and strength.

So where do the really good working dogs come from? Quite a few breeders, actually. One can argue all day that the best dogs come from the Pohranicni Straze kennels in what is now the Czech Republic. These are dogs still bred to work as border, patrol, and reconnaissance dogs. These great dogs are available in the U.S.A. from a few select breeders who are doing a great job maintaining the breed. At one time one could say the DDR (East German) lines were the best, but they are highly diluted now with the lines of the former West Germany.

So, the dog I might seek would have a strong heritage from the Pohranicni Straze kennels if I wanted the Czech lines. If I wanted something of purely West German working lines I would seek something with careful linebreeding to Fero von Zeuterner Himmelreich and his best sons Timmy von der bösen Nachbarschaft or Troll von der bösen Nachbarschaft. There are still great GSD's being produced, but you will never see these dogs at the Westminster show or the BundesSiegerZuchtSchau. You will definitely see them at the annual BundesSiegerPrüfung which is solely for the best German-born working class dogs.

GSD's have been a lifelong passion of mine and always will be that way. Again, these dogs are being produced - there is no secret there. They are just so overshadowed by the show-line types of each country.

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07/13/2010 7:30 PM

Thank you so much for your reply to my question. I am a complete novice at this, but the information contained in the reply gives me hope. I am a long time Colorado master plumber,and over the years have met thousands of dogs of every type, size and temper. I quickly learned how to deal with them on their level, in their home. They have become the smartest animals on planet earth (to me anyway). The only ones who do not respond to me are the Dalmations (sp?), they do not have a job. The GSD are on the other hand are very heroic beings. (as others are too). I just worked for a couple who are with the virginia search and rescue, their Germans are quite something. Check VSRDA.org. Again, thanx so much. cheers

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04/10/2011 12:31 PM

thank you soo much for your input on the subject of hero"s. You should publish your paper and really get the word out about these animals. Maybe Sunday Morning could do a special about them.

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05/10/2011 10:23 AM

The raid on the bin lauden compound by the Seal / team is also a story of a German Shepherd and handler. Just one more reason for people to put dogs to work. If more and more "shelters" became training and breeding centers we could bring the GSD, and other breeds back from the brink of destruction.

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07/12/2010 4:27 PM

why aren't there more places in our own country where German Shepard's are bred?

There aren't enough German sheep?

On a more serious note I agree with the OP, inbreeding has decimated a once glorious breed in Canada. Hip displacia and elilepsy and now common traits in the breed.

I grew up with a beautiful shepard, faithful companion and fearless protector. In the days before leash laws he was known by name for miles around our inner city home. He truely lived up to his name Rex. I've never owned a dog since, no dog will ever measure up to Rex and as I am now an apartment dweller who works away from home it would be unfair to cage up such a free spirited animal as a dog all day and limit his freedom to a couple of daily walks. Please don't suggest a smaller breed, those aren't really dogs. Cats now work great for me.

Back to the original topic though, the reason? Money and greed are why the breed has been decimated.

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07/14/2010 12:27 PM

Almost all of my life I have had German Shepherds. At present I have two.

There is no better dog for me and a lot of my Friends and family. Any one who has had one knows that there is no other.

The two I have now took a lot of time and research in order to find the right breeders. It was important to me, to find one that was raising them for the sake of the breed. They are small low volume breeders. Before any pups are thought of the parents are check out at the University Of Guelph. This is a premeir Ventrenary school in Canada. Traits like hip and elbow displasia are keep out of the bloodline.

I am not interested in show dogs. The ones I have are for compaionship. After health, temperment is the most important thing with me. A good GSD is allready hard wired for that.

Unfortunately there are bad breeders and puppy mills that produce GSD's that will be unstable and will die too soon from inherited conditions.

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