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Floor Covering in a Radioactive laboratory

07/12/2010 7:13 AM

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I am facing a challemge of replacing floor covering in a laboratory handling radioactive material. The floor is currently covered in a vinyl sheet which seem not to be effective enough. Any suggestion on the best floor material for this purpose, please. I am only a construction professional and no radioactive chemistry knowledge.

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07/12/2010 7:16 AM
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07/12/2010 7:57 AM

I find it somewhat odd that the laboratory management / staff don't have strict, explicit requirements for a flooring material. Or if nothing else they should be able to at least give you some good guidence.

What kind of lab just turns a builder loose without a clue?

This is one of those questions on CR4 which really needs to be treated very carefully by any respondants. Something doesn't feel right here.

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07/12/2010 10:47 AM

GA! I sphynx you're right.

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07/13/2010 7:00 AM

Wouldn't the actual building structure contain the shielding materials in the floor and walls? The flooring and wall coverings just be decorative in nature?

I'd still assume the personnel of the dept. would have recommendations as to type of material they would prefer. But I wouldn't expect the flooring or wall coverings to be a major source of radiation shielding. Flooring and wall coverings are under constant wear and would therefore cause less and less shielding as they are used.

Naturally you wouldn't want a material that would absorb and hold the radiation but I doubt vinyl flooring would absorb much radiation except as dust particles caught in its surface.

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07/12/2010 11:00 AM
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07/12/2010 9:24 PM

So much for treated carefully by respondents... Lets just do a data dump and hope no one is harmed by our massive download of someone else's work product.

How much experience or education in this area do you bring to this post?

Why did you not bother to qualify the types and quantities and physical states of radioisotopes at this laboratory prior to responding?

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07/13/2010 12:03 AM

Many cancer hospitals have poor floors not suitable for radioactive substance handling. Even drainages are not proper and there are incidences when old instruments having highly radioactive materials are scrapped like ordinary metals. There were deaths and injuries due to radioactivity from bad handling. Some careful assessment and planning is required.

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07/13/2010 3:24 AM

Thanks for your comment. I wish every poster were as thoughtful.

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07/13/2010 4:21 AM

surely some help is better than no help, they can make the decisions

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07/13/2010 8:59 AM

That is Peter's standard MO, he doesn't know jack but he can copy and paste out of Google and he thinks that is helpful to the conversation. And if you call him on it, he just does massive data dump after massive data dump to dominate the whole thread.

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07/13/2010 9:04 AM

Thats because most of the people asking for help dont seem able to search for the information

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07/13/2010 3:27 AM

Thanks for your effort. CR4 is a good family of wisdom despite several thoughtless posters among this otherwise useful database.

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07/12/2010 11:03 AM

Is the floor on the ground ?

or is it above a room ?

Do you need to stop possible radiation penertrating the floor, If so about 1/4 " of lead sheet apllied to floor will stop most light radiation then a smooth easily cleaned surface should do.

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07/12/2010 5:40 PM

This, surely, is a laboratory of handling radioactive substances, rather than a room for exposing sources with a significant amount of activity. We must be talking about microcuries. 10μCi of Co-60 would give about 0.1μSv/hr at 1 meter - about the same as natural background. ¼" of lead would only reduce this to about 0.07μSv/hr. The nuclides present (and hence the energy of the radiation) must be considered.

Significantly higher possible doserates would require that personnel wore protective clothing (as a minimum), and could mean that sources couldn't be exposed unless the room were fully shielded and interlocked so that exposure was not possible while the room was occupied.

If you need to question whether shielding is needed on the floor, you also need to check out the walls and ceiling. If you're going to cover the floor with lead, you also need to look at floor loading - 10' x 12' x ¼" of lead weighs about ¾ of a ton.

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07/12/2010 9:26 PM

Light radiation? Unbelievable.

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07/13/2010 4:30 AM

Its terrible when you have to explain yourself to so called inteligent people

The shielding can also reduce the intensity, so if the radiation is low or lite to start with the lead will reduce it.

By light i was refering to all the other types other than x-ray or Gamma sorry i didnt allow for you lack of intelligence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_ray

Shielding

Shielding from gamma rays requires large amounts of mass. They are better absorbed by materials with high atomic numbers and high density, although neither effect is important compared to the total mass per area in the path of the gamma ray. For this reason, a lead shield is only modestly better (20-30%) as a gamma shield than an equal mass of another shielding material such as aluminium, concrete, or soil; the lead's major advantage is in its compactness.

The higher the energy of the gamma rays, the thicker the shielding required. Materials for shielding gamma rays are typically measured by the thickness required to reduce the intensity of the gamma rays by one half (the half value layer or HVL).

For example gamma rays that require 1 cm (0.4″) of lead to reduce their intensity by 50% will also have their intensity reduced in half by 4.1 cm of granite rock, 6 cm (2½″) of concrete, or 9 cm (3½″) of packed soil. However, the mass of this much concrete or soil is only 20–30% larger than that of this amount of lead. Depleted uranium is used for shielding in portable gamma ray sources, but again the savings in weight over lead is modest, and the main effect is to reduce shielding bulk.

http://www.hps.org/publicinformation/ate/faqs/radiationtypes.html

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Re: Floor Covering in a Radioactive laboratory

07/13/2010 7:38 AM

Hi,

Much information about radiation shielding. I don't think this be the real main problem.

What about surface decontamination? I believe this may be of importance if low dose rates are involved, but some of that radioactive materials can fall to the floor and then it must be necessary to decontaminate it (after checking rad levels by Rad Protection guys).

You can check for "decontaminable coatings".

Here is an example of painting suitable for floors.

vibak.com/englisch/Dokumente/Datenblaetter/dbe2042.pdf

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Re: Floor Covering in a Radioactive laboratory

07/13/2010 7:49 AM

Here in the Nuclear Power plant we use an epoxy paint.

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