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Using a Delay Timer as an Off Delay Timer

08/02/2010 5:07 AM

I was wondering if some body could tell how you would use an on delay timer as an off delay timer. I know how both timers work, I want to be able to use the on delay timer i have to function like the off delay timer. A circuit diagram would be handy cheers

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Re: how do wire an on delay timer as an off delay timer

08/02/2010 5:29 AM

You can generate an off delay (constant supply) function, but only by driving the on delay relay from a 'normal' relay.

Connect the coil of the on delay relay so that it is powered on when the first relay is turned off. Provided you can get at the normally closed contacts of the on delay relay, they will remain closed until the time period expires.

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08/02/2010 6:16 AM

Note that the output will be on for one delay period when power is first turned on - if this is a problem, a bit more thought will be needed.

Well come on, it is Monday morning !

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08/02/2010 7:40 AM

thanks for that JohnDG i thought it came off a normal relay just wasnt sure.cheers

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08/02/2010 11:05 AM

Good answers by JohnDG, giving what you were looking for obviously. You can add to the GA(Good Answer) i have given to the first one. (Pardon my presumption, you seem to be new to CR4, and i assumed you may not know this)

Taking off on the OFF delay thing, all delays are lost when power to the timer is lost, unless there is a massive capacitor providing adequate power to last till the set time is over....am i right here ?

i have used pneumatic OFF delay timers in many applications, especially where power-off-delay function was required. Quite good ones available. Electronic timers where signal-off-delay is enough.

Any views welcome.

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08/02/2010 11:15 AM

" ...all delays are lost when power to the timer is lost ... am i right here ?"

- yes - that's why I specified "off delay (constant supply)".

If you fancy whiling away a bit of time, try designing out the OUTPUT ON period when power is first turned on (with the CONTROL input low) . Minimum component count, and no cheating with microcontrollers etc!

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08/02/2010 11:28 AM

Mt knowledge of electronics is limited to its spelling.(though i go about mentioning STM and Microchip with a knowledgeable air to ensure that the vendors don't take shortcuts when designing μP devices ) Fortunately, i have two girls who are outstanding electronics engineers at my client's place, who will take care of the final performance.(Women are tougher to fool than men!)

i would love to try this as an exercise with my two lovelies when i visit Delhi next. Thanks for the exercise.

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Re: Using a Delay Timer as an Off Delay Timer

08/03/2010 1:55 AM

If the timer has a changeover contact, it is very easy to use. there will be a normally closed (NC) contact and one normally open (NO) contact. If you use an NC contact, it will become open after the time delay. If you use the NO contact, it will close after the delay. Hence you can choose between the contacts according to the application. it is so simple or am I missing something?

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08/03/2010 2:17 AM

" ... am I missing something?" - yes. Please google "off delay".

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08/03/2010 5:23 PM

If the timer has a NO and a NC contact then the guest is correct...it is easy but I don't think the post is so serious.

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08/03/2010 6:28 PM

The Guest is NOT correct. Neither you nor the Guest understand the meaning of "Off Delay Timer". I added a timing diagram to clarify - either you are incapable of understanding such a diagram, or you are too self-possessed to try.

SEE #11.

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08/03/2010 6:45 PM

I don't care about the guest.

But I just thought a timer would have 2 contacts.

NO & NC so surely a timer could be used either way on or off.

I looked at the question and I thought it was a bit strange because of the 2 contacts available and you can adjust as you want.

If you can explain to me the meaning of this timer off delay type then I might get your point but for me a relay will have 2 contacts with opposite functions.ON and OFF.

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08/03/2010 7:25 PM

Do you understand the difference between an ON DELAY timer and an OFF DELAY timer? Please study the the diagram in post #11. If you are still in doubt, please Google "off delay timer", and read some of the links provided.

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08/04/2010 2:36 AM

I fear that our friend from Portugal has difficulties with both English and with logical thought. I have similar faults, so I can identify with him, and feel compassion for him. My Portuguese is atrocious.

I am sure that there are many things at which our friend excels, although control circuitry is clearly not one of those things. If nothing else, he seems to have a flair for abrasive rhetoric, and perhaps there are settings in which that can be useful. Who knows? Let's try to look at the positive side.

So to assist our friend, I will answer your question (Do you understand the difference between an ON DELAY timer and an OFF DELAY timer?) for him. The answer is "No." What he has written in this thread demonstrates clearly that he has no clue.

I concur regarding your advice to him. If your very clear diagram doesn't get through to him, Googling might get the ol' brain cells firing. (One can hope.)

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08/03/2010 2:04 PM

You could also have the on delay timer operate a coil that has the throughput voltage on normally closed contacts. When the timer times out and goes high, the coil will open the contacts on the relay and open the circuit.

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Re: Using a Delay Timer as an Off Delay Timer

08/03/2010 2:23 PM

Once again, an OP fails to provide certain specifics like: low voltage DC or high voltage DC intitiated? Is there another factor such as a control feature?

Meanwhile, we could play the conjecture game all day long.

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08/03/2010 5:18 PM

It seems some of the respondents don't know about ON DELAY and OFF DELAY timers. Please may I clarify, with this diagram:

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