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Cleaning Copper Coils for Generators

08/16/2010 9:33 AM

Hi,

I have a problem where I am doing re-work on a number of copper coils for generators. The copper that is brought in needs cleaned, the insulation layer is pulled off the coils and leaves a nylon, epoxy, adhesive resin on the copper surface. In addition to this there is also verdigris resin (green oxide material) left in the vent holes (punched holes in the material, around 2" x 0.25" in area).

I have thought about using electrolysis to remove these materials, can anyone advise me on this, or any other process that would remove these materials? Is it possible to remove both materials in the one process?

I want the process to be automated as the current process is manual and takes up valuable man hours. grinding and filing is used at the moment...

Thanks very much

Keith

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Re: Cleaning Copper Coils for Generators

08/16/2010 3:38 PM

Electrolysis is not the solution to the problems.

I suggest you should consider that at certain high temperature the surface contiminants would flake off or become soft, additionally various industrial cleaners/solvents are available in market to facilitate the final cleaning of the surfaces.

For producing enough heat in copper, connect low voltage electric source (less than 24 volts) to the copper coil terminals, current is determined by application of Ohm's law. That would be somewhat similar to electric welding equipment (transformer with taps or DC generator with series resistance) to a much less intensity than required for welding.

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Re: Cleaning Copper Coils for Generators

08/17/2010 2:50 AM

Thanks for the swift reply!!

So electrolysis is not the solution for removing the epoxy resin, but will it work to remove the verdigris (green oxide residue) in the vent holes?

Any advice on any good cleaners/solvents that you have used?

Thanks again!

Keith

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Re: Cleaning Copper Coils for Generators

08/17/2010 3:50 AM

Search at www.google.com , web sites such as

www.ecolink.com/sectors/utilities.html would be of interest to you.

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Re: Cleaning Copper Coils for Generators

08/17/2010 3:50 AM

Hi,

I would try caustic soda and sodium-hydroxide solutions.

Likely some scrubbing needed.

As the insulating materials are polymerised to withstand high temperatures there will be extended difficulties and cost in removal by solvents.

Nylon: sulfuric acid

Epoxi: none existing to solve, mixture of exotic (and poisonous) solvents to soften, as methyl-chloride, tetra-hydro-furane, dimethyl-formamide, dimethyl-sulfoxide, N-methyl-pyrrolidone.

Polyester: same as above

Polyimide: more difficult than those above

So in total: no way

What about degradation by heat (below the oxidation temperature of coper or below inert gas). This will transform any polymer into a brittle condition, easy to remove if not made to adhere better than before.

What about brittleness induction by cryo-treatment.

In a container with dry-ice or evaporating nitrogen and vibrated?

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Re: Cleaning Copper Coils for Generators

08/17/2010 6:11 AM

thanks for the feedback, it seems that chemical solutions would be the best solution, either applied with a spray or immersed in a bath. With the option of abrasion afterwards if required

Would you know any companies that can automate these??

Keith

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Re: Cleaning Copper Coils for Generators

08/17/2010 7:24 AM

Ultrasonic bath will remove both problems, when used with the proper organic solvents,heat, and time.The cavitation will even remove chrome plating if left too long.

Good luck,

HTRN

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