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Capacitor Polarity

08/22/2010 2:47 AM

why ceramic capacitors not having polarity and the others do not? what will happen if we soldered a capacitor with inverse polarity?

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08/22/2010 2:54 AM

Capacitors with polarity mostly have an electrolyte in it. This has to polarized. Similar to a battery. What happens if wrongly polarized? I might work up to a certain degree for the first time, but reversing it again will destroy the capacitor. The value will also be different. Some capacitors in reverse just dry out, some steam the electrolyte out, some explode. Other capacitors, generally much lower in value do not have a electrolyte.

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08/22/2010 3:50 AM

GA.
One sould add that an electrolytic when wired reverse polarity can explode and pop it's can off.
We had one go 15 yards, having first struck someone on the forehead, it left a big bruise and plenty of laughter. Take care!
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08/22/2010 10:24 AM

Where's the GA????

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08/23/2010 11:54 AM

Good point Guest. It really is quite sad that someone actually gave that a GA. Yes it was somewhat funny but was it a good answer?

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08/22/2010 3:27 PM

I took one in the eye at close range on a development bench (correct polarity just a dried-out electrolytic), that is why I always wear safety glasses when doing anything.

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08/22/2010 9:14 PM

I remember doing that in the school lab for fun. GA

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08/23/2010 6:39 AM

And a lot of accident probabillities

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08/23/2010 12:51 AM

Other capacitors have a different dielectricum like paper, mica, air, or other isolators. These have no polarity and you can use these either way. I hoped this was included in the final line. Forgive me if not.

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08/22/2010 7:31 AM

Useful tip: When powering up a newly-assembled circuit, particularly one which includes electrolytic (polarized) capacitors, it's a good idea to cover the components with something like an upturned empty cardboard box.

Exploding components can fire plastic and ceramic shards, globs of molten metal and all manner of nasty stuff around. Not pleasant if you get a bit in the eye.

I've found tantalum bead type caps to be particularly nasty - they tend to glow bright red and smoke (to make sure you're looking directly at them) for a fraction of a second before the molten metal flies. Spectacles have saved my eyesight several times over the years (when not following my own suggestion (above)).

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08/22/2010 11:29 AM

Actually the real question is why do most electrolytic capacitors require a DC bias in only one direction? This gets to be a complicated question to answer because of the variety of different chemistries that exist for the different types of electrolytic capacitors. But the failure mechanism for reverse biasing in all types is similar. In the proper bias direction, very high electrostatic fields can be generated across thinner insulations so that physically smaller capacitors can be fabricated with large capacitance values. When a sustained reverse bias condition occurs a chemical redox reaction occurs in the insulation material. Sometimes the chemical reactants are charged ions and suddenly an insulator now conducts. Sometimes the chemical reactants is now a gas that cannot hold back the large mechanical force separating the plates.

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08/22/2010 11:48 PM

Wow. A great big "GA" that doesn't count for me and two people gave the big "GA" an Off Topic grade. I don't understand what petty games these two OT votes mean. Well I do appreciate your comment, Yahlasit. It is nice to see that somebody recognized that the OP was asking why ceramic capacitors do not care about DC polarities along with what can go wrong when one violates an electrolytic DC polarity. But then again this won't be the first or last thread that the recognized Good Answer didn't answer all of a question.

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08/22/2010 11:56 PM

Here you go, a GA from me on behalf of Yahlasit. Problem solved.

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08/23/2010 6:49 AM

<< why ceramic capacitors not having polarity and the others do not? >>

I think:

<< why ceramic capacitors not having polarity and the others do not? >>

Ceramic Caps have a diaelectric [insulator between plates] which are not prone to any chemical reaction; while all the Electolytic Caps has a chemical which is prone to chemical reactions like Batteries.

<< what will happen if we soldered a capacitor with inverse polarity? >>

A burst ! If good luck will leak and may paint the environment

Like Battery if try to charge in reverse

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08/23/2010 7:33 AM

Some small capacitance ceramic capacitors have a "polarity" marking because they are mechanically asymetric. They will n o t blow up if inverted, but stray capacitances may degrade circuit characteristics.

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08/23/2010 4:11 PM

I have not a chance to see such a cap, but tantalem & other are.

There are some Non-Polarized-Electrolytic Caps; but these are made of 2 caps of equal size connected back-2-Back, large value capacitors for motors are commonly used.

as to have a Zener on AC you connect 2 zener diodes back-2-Back to limit AC voltage not to exceed the zener voltage of one zener diode.

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08/23/2010 4:33 PM

If using Zeners (back-to-back or otherwise) - check the power (current x voltage drop). May need to include a resistor, or up the power handling capcity of the Zener(s).

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08/23/2010 5:20 PM

No!

Used as OverVoltage Protection; such arrangement has a Fuse in series with supply to blow.

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08/23/2010 6:24 PM

Yes!

As you have illustrated so well in your second image. Also, in your Fig. 9, the only fuse shown is before the VDR (voltage dependent resistor, or Varistor). There is a resistor (NTC type) before the Zeners on the input to the AC/DC converter. On the DC side, the current limiting within the converter will do the job, if the resistor on the input of the crowbar circuit doesn't.

Depends whether you're just trying to 1) do a cheap'n'cheerful bit of OVP/regulation, 2) provide 'destructive' overvoltage protection (as you're describing - the fuse blows, meaning 'someone' has to come and replace it, but it does save the more expensive components, and possible fires), or 3) suppress transient overvoltages (in which case you'd be better off using something designed for the application - a Transient Voltage Suppressor, e.g. P6KE22A (uni-directional) or P6KE22CA (bi-directional) ).

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08/24/2010 6:13 AM

Well explained.

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I submitted only a point to ponder!

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08/23/2010 7:41 AM

I will second the opinion about tantalum capacitors being especially nasty when they are reversed biased. One guy here at work tried to "stomp out" one that had launched off its' PC board, and it ended up burning a hole all the way up through his shoes' sole! Luckily, he got that shoe off before it got all the way through. They burn hot, and stinky. After being in electronics for nearly 30 years, I can usually tell what type of component has "let the magic smoke out" by the smell :)

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08/23/2010 8:35 AM

Ceramic capacitor is fabricated as solid state device with offset printing of conductive layer between the layer and at end the charge is stored in dielectric and are bring in and out by conductor layer. Since the charge storage is because of polarization and not ionic concentration it does not need polarity. If it is liquid or electrolyte based then one will move ions from one side to other and this movement needs polarity.

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08/24/2010 7:24 AM

Back to rsreedhar1987's question:

some ceramic capacitors have a marking for the "earth" side, which is not a polarity (+ / -) marking. This marking is important for high frequency applications only.

some capacitors are built on a ceramic tube, with inner and outer metallisation. As this is a coaxial construction, it is obvious that the inner side should be connected to the "live" side of a ckt.

some ceramic trimmers have a marking corresponding to the external metallic mass, which acts as a shield. If you connect it electrically "upside down" (it's hard to tell which side is "earth" without the mark), a frequency adjustment may be affected by your hand's proximity. But the reversion will not have a destructive effect as with an electrolytic cap (Al, Ta, Nb).

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08/24/2010 2:33 PM

Oh good oldi !

You refreshed old days of 60' [it is yet 2010 of this century]

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08/27/2010 4:31 AM

A relatively small high frequency transformer converts the pulsed waveform into one or more output voltages which are then rectified and filtered using electrolytic capacitors and small inductors in a 'pi' configuration C-L-C, or for outputs that are less critical, just a capacitor.

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Whu? Are you sure you're replying in the right thread?

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