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Preparation of Pipe Class

09/08/2010 6:52 AM

Can anyone suggest how to start the preparation of pipe class. I know it is a huge task. please contribute with your suggestions

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Re: preparation of pipe class

09/08/2010 7:17 AM

Confucious says: "Walk around world begins with first step."

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Re: preparation of pipe class

09/08/2010 8:39 AM

If you can't show the path,better just keep remain quiet

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Re: Preparation of Pipe Class

09/08/2010 2:08 PM

I hope this is of some help.

"Piping Material Line Class Specification"

This document would have a cover sheet and a written section which would include the following:
- Document Title
- Document Control Number

- Table of Contents
- Statement of Purpose and or Function

- General Notes

- A listing of all the Codes that apply to the material included here-in

- A list (Index) of all the Line Classes with basic data such as Commodity, Material, Flange Rating, etc.
- Each of the individual Line Class sheets

- List of Attachments: (as required)

- The common vent, drain, and other misc. connection details

- Branch Connection Tables (one or more as required)

- Name of Originator (Responsible person), Date created

- Name and date of checker
- Table of Approval for Issue, (Piping Department, Project, Client)
- Table of Issue History listing Revision, date, what was revised, by who, approval sign-off

All of this would then be issued as a single document.

The second part of your question

What is basic need/data for that?

Data Requirements

There are two sides to this question. There is the up front data requirements needed to produce the Line Class Specification. Then there is the output data or, what does each line class need to include?

So, first what is required to start? You need, as a minimum the following information:

· A list of every commodity that will be a part of the project. This means the feed, all products, all waste streams, all utilities and all additives.

· For each commodity you need the complete chemistry including Toxic classifications and reactions to changes in temperature. Here in the U.S.A. we have a document called a "MSDS" (Material Safety Data Sheet). These have all the chemical, toxic, medical recovery and other data about a chemical be it a gas, a liquid, a powder or a solid. If these are available in your country then get a copy for your records of the MSDS for each commodity.

· For each commodity you need the maximum sustained operating pressure and temperature.

· For each you need to know of any short term or upset condition that may cause an increase or decrease in pressure or temperature.

· For each commodity you need to determine the corrosion rate for different (common or special) pipe materials.

· For each commodity you need to know the projected maximum and minimum pipe size expected for the project.

· You need to know the location of the jobsite and the full twelve month weather/temperature profile.

When you have collected all this information then you need to spend a great deal of time reading and studying so you can answer every question that will come up. Don't try to memorize it just remember where to find the material on that issue.

This is just a start. Now you need to know what Piping Code will be the basis for the project.

Will the project governing Code be:

· ASME B31.1

· ASME B31.3

· Or some other Code?

Now the next thing you need to know is the Clients preferences and or restrictions. Things like does the client want to use "Lapp-Joint Stub-End" flanges in certain systems. Does the client want or not want certain types of valves (and why)? What about Weld-neck vs. Slip-on flanges?

Next you need to know the "Design Life" of the plant. This means you need to know how long the plant is supposed to last before it is shut down or starts to fall apart. This issue determines the amount of corrosion allowance you will consider when selecting a wall schedule.

There is no doubt more that I have forgotten to include in this first pass. I will try to add more as I remember. I also know that by posting this here on the pipingdesigners web site others will read it and ad their wisdom.

The finished "Line Class" pipe spec.

Each of the individual Line Class sheet might be created as a spread sheet in a Microsoft Excel Work Book. One spread sheet for each Line Class.

Across you might have the following column headers?

· Item

· Nominal Pipe Size (inches) or (Metric)

· Schedule (Wall Thickness)

· End Type

· Description (This is a simple description of a piping component not a full purchase description)

Vertically the first column (Item) will be divided into "Pipe", "Fittings", "Flanges", "Gaskets", "Bolts" and "Valves"

With-in this column the "Fitting" section and the "Valve" section would be divided to cover the various items normally required based on size.

"Fittings" would include:

· 90 degree ELLs

· 45 degree ELLs

· Straight TEEs

· Reducing TEEs

· Caps

· Unions

· Etc.

"Valves" would include:

· Gates

· Globe

· Check

· Ball

· Butterfly

· Etc.

Other information that needs to be included on a line class by line class basis includes.

· Basic Construction (2" and smaller Screwed/ 3" and Larger Flanged and Butt welded, etc)

· Flange Rating (150# RF)

· Temperature Limits (Minus 50 degrees F to Plus 500 degrees

I know this is a lot to information to take in.

But do it the same way you would eat an elephant, one bite at a time.

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Re: Preparation of Pipe Class

09/13/2010 2:21 AM

Thank you sir for ur valuable comments

hope you will continue with same type of appreciable suggestion.

What I exacly want is take a pipe class for example of any company e.g fosterwheeler,bechtel.technip etc suppose of 150# or 300#.

Then explain throughly how the pipe with all the component are selected .& also how the branch table is prepared showing the detailed calculation. that would be really helpful for me.

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Re: Preparation of Pipe Class

09/13/2010 2:15 AM

Thanks a lot for ur contribution which is quite appreciable.

But actually I m not looking for any standard.What I want is exactly want is how a pipe class is prepared with a suitable example of any of the pipe class.Like how a material,class rating is selected ?How a branch table is prepared? If you have some details pls continue.

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mukesh

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Re: Preparation of Pipe Class

09/17/2010 9:21 AM

mukesh...

You want to be spoon fed....

For free, you want someone to instruct you, answer all possible questions and make you an immediate expert in a very small area of engineering.

In the USA we have a phrase......

Buck-up, go figure it out for yourself......Like everyone else

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Re: Preparation of Pipe Class

09/20/2010 5:21 AM

If u can't help in any way just dont give ur improper suggestions.

Just take some lesson from pennpiper. He has helped me without any means.

It does'nt mean ,if u will not help ,I will not go through.

there are many people in this world who care for others & God is looking over them . They will be surely paid best from our blessings.

Money is not the last thing in this world.

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