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Motor Thermal Overload Protection

10/07/2010 9:33 AM

Is there a precise method for setting the "restart inhibition temperature level" in a Motor Protection Relay?

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10/07/2010 9:43 AM

Don't you know? You're the electrical expert!

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10/07/2010 10:15 AM

Agreed! But, experts too need to learn continuously! Now. would you help?

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10/07/2010 9:53 AM

You would have to ask the motor mfr.

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10/07/2010 12:32 PM

Interesting question. I agree with JRaef's suggestion to get the mfr's recommendation, if available. Things to account for could include:

1. Ambient temperature

2. Insulation class of motor (allowable temperature rise or actual maximum temperature)

3. Calculated (or estimated) temperature rise due to starting current and time

4. Motor winding temperature as observed during normal running conditions

5. Time between starts

So far that's just thinking out loud. The logic would be something like [4] + [3] ≤ [2]. I'll try searching a few phrases such as "hot start" to see what else one might add.

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10/07/2010 1:21 PM

Well put, that is along the lines of what I was thinking. Add to that list the motor mass (iron) and cooling system. For example a motor that is over sized for a very high duty cycle may be able to be re-started sooner because the heat in a hot spot has more mass to dissipate into; or a fan cooled motor may be able to tolerate a higher re-start temperature knowing that once running, it will cool off faster than a non-fan cooled motor design.

Etc. etc. etc.... too many variables for a generalized rule, but each motor has been designed with those variables in mind, so the motor designer would know.

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10/07/2010 3:41 PM

For large motors, the manufacturer will provide thermal damage curves for use in setting protective relays. Most motor protection relays have settings for the thermal damage curves, and include timers that accumulate heating time during starting and decrement it during cool-down. If you try to start the motor too many times without adequate time for cooling, the relay should block starting. Basler provides the following explanation in their Motor Protection Application Guide:

3.2 Thermal Damage

When a motor stator winding is energized with the rotor at rest or "locked," stator winding currents can range from 3 to 7 times rated full load value depending on motor design and supply system impedance. Heating in the stator winding, proportional to I2t, is 9 to 49 times rated conditions and the winding is without benefit of the ventilation normally produced by motor rotation. Actual values of locked rotor amps are part of the motor data supplied by the motor manufacturer

Depending on the design, a motor can be thermally stator limited or rotor limited during locked rotor conditions. The motor manufacturer can furnish the allowable locked-rotor time only after the motor design is completed. This time is given as time at rated locked-rotor current starting from either rated ambient temperature (cold stall time) or rated operating temperature (hot stall time). These parameters are given as part of the motor time-current curve defined by IEEE Standard 620.

Starting times depend on motor design and load torque characteristics and must be determined for each application. Although starting times of 2 to 20 seconds are common, high-inertia loads might take several minutes to attain full speed. Starting time increases if bus voltage is less than nominal. The starting current of a motor falls between the locked rotor value and the full load amps when the rotor begins to turn. Therefore, stator heating decreases as the motor accelerates.

The motor thermal limits curve has three separate pieces and is based on the three running conditions of the motor (see Figure 5, upper curve):

• Locked rotor or stall condition

• Motor acceleration

• Motor running overload

For most motors the motor thermal limit curve is one smooth curve. In most cases manufacturers provide curves for both hot and cold motor conditions. Overloads must be below this motor thermal damage curve. However, especially in long starting, high-inertia motors, the starting thermal damage curve can have similar current as does the running (overload) mode thermal curve; leading to possible nuisance trip during starting. In this case the starting thermal damage curve (locked rotor and acceleration) and the running thermal damage curves do not fit smoothly together. Modern motor protection relays use custom locked rotor and running (overload) curves to fit motor protection to these type of motor thermal limits.

Hope this is helpful.

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10/08/2010 3:15 AM

Quite explicit, GA score to you from my side.

I wish to add that besides thermisters which are embeded in winding(conventional approach), latest development is Thermal Immage Relay which does not need any sensing probe to the motor, although installed remote it monitors the thermal state of motor by taking into account +ve and -ve sequence components.

Positive sequence current monitors the load of motor and -ve sequence current monitors any phase imbalance.

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