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6600 Motor on 3300 Volt Supply

10/16/2010 12:41 AM

HI I am aditya From India Greetings to you, what if we run a 6600 volt motor on 3300 volt supply on load? a. shall we derate the same (at reduced power) also specify the formula / method to find actual power that can be obtained for the same or b. weather it will get heated but can be used within certain limit of load?

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Re: 6600 motor on 3300 volt supply

10/16/2010 3:34 AM

just a try.... with star-delta starter we reduce voltage to 57.8% inside windings hence limiting huge inrush current.

please note in that it lasts for less duration only and for that winding is not affected, so i hope less voltage wont create any problem to winding physically but output power is reduced.

so due to mechanical load the motor tries to draw more current for the required power with less voltage available crossing full load current.

the motor designed for full load current with that rated winding will affect.

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10/16/2010 9:12 AM

Most HV motors I've come across are star connected. So assuming you could connect the motor in delta you may get away with 3300V. (I doubt it though, usually all 6 leads aren't brought out to the terminal box). For delta the voltage required would be 3810V

I think it's a mad idea. If you actually have the motor and supply (which I doubt very much), it's a lot of capital to put at risk!

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Re: 6600 Motor on 3300 Volt Supply

10/16/2010 10:53 AM

Torque is reduced by the square of the voltage reduction. So if you apply 50% voltage to a motor, the torque is reduced to 25% of normal. Since you are not changing the frequency, the speed will remain (relatively*) the same. At the same speed and 25% torque, your motor shaft power is effectively 25% of the rating of the motor, anything even slightly higher will cause the motor to overload.

*At such a drastic reduction in torque, the rotor mass itself becomes a much more significant portion of the total inertia and the slip may increase slightly even with no load, so the no-load speed may be slightly slower even before you connect to a load, which of course makes it that much easier to overload the motor.

Bottom line... BAD IDEA!

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10/17/2010 12:50 AM

excellent answer

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10/17/2010 1:46 PM

Agreed!

Lots of risks involved. Hobbyists would try that at low voltage but not on an industrial application.

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Re: 6600 Motor on 3300 Volt Supply

10/18/2010 6:45 AM

THANKS TO ALL FOR REPLY, This question was raised because one of our client had purchased 3.3 kv motor for 6.6 kv supply. aditya

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10/18/2010 8:51 AM

3.3kV motor for 6.6kV supply voltage ? this is exactly opposite to what you had mentioned in your opening post. Don't do it please....you will burn the motor forthwith and possibly damage other equipment if protection doesn't operate.

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10/18/2010 2:16 PM

I agree, this is the opposite of what you said in the beginning.

If this is the true nature, then it is a completely different problem. At 2X the rated voltage, the motor will saturate and produce excessive heat while also creating very dangerous and destructive levels of initial torque. As QSK said, don't do it!

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10/19/2010 4:50 AM

DON'T DO IT!

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10/21/2010 5:23 AM

Your client may be a mad guy; don't understand the technical aspect of electric motors.

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09/26/2024 9:55 AM

Then the Client has a commercial and timing problem to solve. It isn't the sub-supplier's problem; stay out of it.

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