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DC/AC Solenoid

11/02/2010 8:48 AM

Dear Frnds,

For selecting solenoid Voltage (Between 24 VDC & 110 VAC/VDC), does the size of Valve/Torque/area classification influence the selection , or is it just availability at the source end (PLC Digital Output Module )

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Re: DC/AC Solenoid

11/02/2010 9:18 AM

yo josej

The main things you have to consider are

The current & voltage rating of the solenoid

Then you have to see the distance between the source PLC Output module and the solenoid.

Is it a short distance you can use both when it's a longer distance you better use AC, if need be you can calculate the voltage drop for DC in your cable.

Greetz.. T L.

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Re: DC/AC Solenoid

11/02/2010 11:22 AM

1) AC coils experience volt-ampere "inrush", the high momentary surge occurring at coil energization). The spec for volt-ampere "holding", the continuous draw following inrush, is also typically provided. In contrast, DC coils have no inrush current. That has to be taken into account at the 'PLC' end.

2) With regards to hazardous areas,

a) Service/duty
ASCO brand solenoid valves which are rated for I/S (intrinsically safe) operation are intended specifically for instrument air service duty only. They are not general purpose I/S solenoid valves.

Explosion proof (EXP) rated coils are available for many other valves whose service is limited by the application of the valve, classing them as general purpose solenoid valves.

b) I am only familiar with I/S solenoid valves that are available with 24Vdc coils. It is unlikely that an AC coil could get I/S agency approval.

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Re: DC/AC Solenoid

11/03/2010 11:50 AM

All of those things.

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Re: DC/AC Solenoid

11/03/2010 1:25 PM

The size of the valve and torque, (if by torque you are referring to the amount of force used to open and close the valve) are designed into the valve by the manufacturer. You need only ensure that you provide the voltage and current requirements on the name plate of the valve.

As far as area classification is concerned most Intrinsically safe or explosion proof valves I have come across are Pneumatically controlled.

The PLC output modules can control either voltage. It depends on your installed hardware.

Here are a couple of points you may want to consider.

(1) I prefer 24vdc controls because this voltage is safer and allows you to troubleshoot it without arc flash safety gear.

(2) On solenoids that are used frequently I place an interface relay between the PLC output and valve, and use surge suppressors or fly-back diodes to help contact life. That way if the contact fails, you need only swap out the interface relay and not the PLC output card. Interface relays also allow you to control different voltages with one output card.

(3) If you use 24vdc fuse your outputs and inputs. Too many machines are being produced that aren't fused sufficiently. When a device short circuits it pulls down the DC. power supply and the faulty component can be difficult to find.

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Re: DC/AC Solenoid

11/03/2010 6:59 PM

good stuff,

the voltage is many times determined by what the control voltage is for other equipment, the less Different voltages the better.

Banks of relays that light up with inputs & outputs grouped ease troubleshooting

fuses are cheaper than downtime, it sucks to try to figure out which of 20 inputs/outputs is blowing the fuse for the power supply :D quencharcs are your friend, depending on the cycle rate

pilot control valves are used for all but the smallest flows pneumatic valves are ok, but it depends on how far away the control panel is

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