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Current Monitor

11/28/2010 10:33 AM

Dear Experts, I am a mechanical engineer. Kindly guide me for the following question. Many equipments ( May I say all ? ) are expected to run between a lower and upper limits of amperes. If the transmission fails between a motor and the gearbox ( say the V belts are snapped or input coupling is failed ) the ampere of the motor would fall down suddenly. If the machine faces any abnormal site conditions, the motor ampere will take higher ampere than that of it's design capacity. Presently this is being taken care of Over Load relay ( OLR ). Both the above situations are not desirable. My question is "Is there any device available in market to continuously monitor the current taken by the motor?". If the ampere goes below the lower limit or exceeds the upper limit (-which would be set as per requirements by the electrical site engineers -) , the device should trip the motor. This will help maintenance and operation engineers to quickly check the machine & site conditions to take corrective actions. If such devices are already available, request to reply with the model number, make etc., Thanks & regards, S.Ganesh

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11/28/2010 11:34 AM

There are many devices that operate as you describe, please Google "current monitors".

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11/28/2010 11:55 AM

In my opinion is please find the EATON Current Culter Hammer. In this current moniter can set to trip at under and over current. In this moniter 4-20mA will get as output can use this in PLC as a graph format. As details are given in manual.

http://www.eaton.com plz visit the link.

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11/28/2010 12:24 PM

As Unredundant mentioned, there are many devices out on the market now to monitor current but there is a potential complication depending on the type of electric motor you are using. In nearly all scenarios that I can think of you will likely require a timer circuit to handle the high current condition of starting your electric motor. If you are using a DC motor then a simple ammeter with high and low trip settings will work quite well. If you are using an AC motor then you will only be able to detect the free run conditions you cited and a locked or stalled rotor condition. Most minor load changes like a failing bearing, debris in a transmission, dulled cutting tool will be masked if you only monitor the magnitude of the current. To notice these effects with an AC motor you will want to monitor the real power drawn by the motor or the power factor drawn by the motor. This is because as the motor works harder, the phase angle between current and voltage will change much more significantly than the magnitude of the current.

One example of this type of instrument is here. I have not used this particular instrument and I do not know if it can handle your particular motor. You will notice that this unit includes an integrated timer for starting currents and thermal detectors.

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11/28/2010 2:36 PM

Although current monitoring is one way to do it, there is an inherent problem if you are trying to relate current consumption to motor shaft load. The current will also vary with the applied voltage, so if your line supply is subject to variations throughout the day, the current changes will not reflect a consistent picture of the mechanical load.

For that reason, it is better to use kW monitoring relays. They are very similar to current monitors, they just have an additional input for line voltage and the ability to measure and calculate Power Factor (on AC units) to determine the actual mechanical shaft loading, regardless of what is happening with the line supply. I highly recommend using that type over current monitor alone if you are primarily interested in protecting a piece od equipment from mechanical issues.

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11/28/2010 8:52 PM

The current drawn by the motor is only an indirect indication. What makes the motor burnout is heat, and of course the major reason for that is an overload current. However, many motors are cooled by the air passing through the rotor. If this passage is blocked by some fluff, cooling is affected, and the motor may burn out even at rated load. So, a thermistor protector, embedded in the stator windings, senses the heat directly and trips the starter/contactor before the motor is harmed.

For underload, there are relays which sense this condition and trip the starter.

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11/28/2010 10:45 PM

There are current transducers in the market that put out 4-20mA signals proportional to any Ampere band. If you have a PLC handy, it can be input into an analogue module, scale it > or <some figure xxx can be made to alarm, trip, etc.

If no PLC, some current sensing relays that will do the job. But I found them very coarse and I had difficulty setting them up at lower end below which they should trip on UNDER CURRENT.

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11/28/2010 11:28 PM

I think you should ask a trained electrical engineer or technician to do your this job for you. There are many parameters that play a role in protecting a motor in adverse conditions. There is this start up time, start up high current, then run time dynamic current for dynamic load, and finally current into defective motor. This all requires a device that is programmable for parameters for a type of motor or a device just has been made for the motor you are using.

If you are learning and have reason to do so then it is different thing as your half knowledge will also yield not so perfect results you are looking for and it is going to be a big project for you.

You can read about motor protection devices in details and if you can understand these fully then you can buy one from market and use it.

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Re: Current Monitor

11/29/2010 4:41 AM

As well as over/under current situations,which have been well covered here, it is important to also install phase monitoring,which will indicate a loss of phase as well.Phase monitoring relays are readily available.

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11/29/2010 8:19 AM

Use two protection

1. KW monitering Relay

KW monitering relays gives you the accurate power consumption of motor. In PLC

set the Lower and higher ranges of KW consumption.

2. Speed moniter:

Install a Speed moniter toward the Load side. It provides you protection in case where transmission between gear box and motor breaks

Same problem we have faced on the Belt Weigh feeder. This Belt weigh feeder is driven by the two motor. Once transmission between gearbox and motor of one side fails, the whole load was diverted to the other motor which trip on overload.To avoid such kind of condition we place two current transducer one for each motor. These current transducer measure the current drawn by both the motor, send a corrosponding signal of 4-20 mA to the PLC. PLC moniter these currents of both motors and if the difference in current is more than 10 %, it stop the weigh feeder.Further we add a proximity sensor to sense the Stall postition.

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