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Banki Turbines

12/04/2010 4:25 PM

hi here is a part from a book of renewable energy : "The Banki or crossflow is an action turbine, implying that the energy available to the runner is only kinetic. This means of energy conversion would place it in the ambit of high heads; however, it is predominantly encountered in low-head schemes" I know that this is an action turbine and it means it benefits from the kinetic energy not potential energy so how can it be that they are supposed to be classified in the ambit of high heads (potential energy)?I couldnt understand how does this part imply "high-head"?

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Re: Banki Turbines

12/04/2010 5:16 PM

Pls also tell me what kind of a flow drives a pelton turbine? İt is not axial or radial, so what kind of flow is this ?

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12/04/2010 5:22 PM

okey it is tangential flow, also first question's answer is this I guess: Since the action turbines need to transform high head energy to pressure this kinda (banki) turbine is supposed to be high-head but it is in practical not so, they are produced for low-head low power applications, (From what I found out out of resource son the internet.)

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Re: Banki Turbines

12/04/2010 9:11 PM

Some of the Internet "information" may not be useful, or may even contain errors. What does the word "action" add to "turbine", for instance?

If the WikiPedia pictures are representative, the Banki type of turbine is best suited to high-volume modest-head situations.

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Re: Banki Turbines

12/04/2010 10:58 PM

Something appears wrong with the description from your book- the Banki turbine is apparently a LOW head, HIGH flow rate turbine. Furthermore, "kinetic" energy would suggest moving fluid, while potential energy would suggest high head, or high pressure, fluid. I would have a tendency to discard the book on renewable energy- I suspect the either the author or the proof reader (or both) may have been smoking something funny...

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Re: Banki Turbines

12/04/2010 11:27 PM

CWarner is right. There is plenty of valid information available on Banki and similar crossflow turbines, but what you are reading is partly false and the rest too vague to be useful.

Banki turbines (known by various other names in slightly variant forms) are impulse turbines - that is they operate mainly by changing the velocity vector of a stream of incoming fluid. Potential energy is converted to kinetic energy in the inlet nozzle, and this high-velocity stream is deflected by the blading in the process of doing work on the blading.

This distinguishes them from reaction turbines that operate mainly by generating pressure differentials within a stream of more or less constant velocity. One quick way of distinguishing reaction and impulse hydro turbines is to check whether the casing is filled with water during operation. If it has to be full of water for the turbine to work, it's a reaction type; if the water runs through the casing as a distinct jet, it's an impulse type.

Bankis are interesting because they are easy to build - their blading is constant-chord, untwisted and supported at both ends (intermediate support is also possible) - and because they have possibly the widest range of usable head and flow combinations of any hydropower equipment available on the market. Other equipment tends to be very specialized - Francis turbines for high flows, moderate heads; Kaplan turbines for low head, high flow; Pelton turbines for very high heads and low to moderate flow, and so forth. But Banki machines overlap the range of application of all of the above - mainly the Francis and Kaplans, but also the low-head end of the Pelton range. At least one European firm (Ossberger?) takes advantage of this to offer this kind of turbine for a wide range of sites.

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12/05/2010 8:40 AM

Do you know of any inline Turbines? A Turbine that can be installed in a pipeline? The Crossflow turbines you describe here need to discharge to a "pond", a discharge area that is open to atmosphere. Do you of a turbine that can discharge to a pipeline that might have small levels of back pressure?

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12/10/2010 4:59 AM

how does a pelton turbine get its nozzle water pressurized ? With high-head energy or a pump? İf high head I guess author is not wrong, maybe he is trying to show the contrast between the designs of banki and pelton while they are same class (action turbine). maybe...

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