Previous in Forum: 8" Long Weld Neck Nozzle Replacement to Absorber Vessel   Next in Forum: QA&QC - Welder Qualifications
Close
Close
Close
11 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Anonymous Poster

P22 Piping Welded With E7018

12/09/2010 1:35 PM

We have wrongly welded P22 piping with E7018 electrode which would be having steam service at 500 deg C. The plant has to be taken in service intermittently for one month. Is it safe to take this piping in operation? Piping size is below 2" NPS in most of the cases.

Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Power-User

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Atchison Village
Posts: 383
Good Answers: 39
#1

Re: P22 Piping Welded With E7018

12/10/2010 12:28 AM

You answered your own question. It's wrongly welded high pressure steam. Would you send your oldest son to work around it?

__________________
Align culture with nature...
Reply
Associate

Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Europe Netherlands
Posts: 28
#2

Re: P22 Piping Welded With E7018

12/10/2010 3:07 AM

You would be an idiot if you take this system into service.

P22 pipe needs specific welding procedures, you are talking about 500 deg. C steam,this is high pressure steam.

In Europe this means the job must be supervised and apprioved by a proper legal authority, otherwise you must not even considder to take this system into service.

__________________
Only if it's impossible, it will never happen
Reply
Guru
Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member Safety - ESD - New Member Hobbies - Fishing - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Near Frankfurt am Main, Germany. 50.390866N, 8.884827E
Posts: 17996
Good Answers: 200
#3

Re: P22 Piping Welded With E7018

12/10/2010 8:21 AM

What Henk and others have said said is completely right.

Steam is one of the very nasty but relatively (not still not quick enough!) quick ways to die in this world.....I was in the RN for many years on steam ships......there was occasionally an accident.

If you put this system into service, we will probably read about the "accident" on a World News broadcast shortly afterwards........

Also, you appear to employ the wrong people to do the welding, someone with proper training for steam would never have made such a mistake.....

You yourself cannot be an engineer, or you would NEVER have even asked us, you would have simply known.......a bad weld is a bad weld and it may not be used.....

So to answer your question fully then:-

__________________
"What others say about you reveals more about them, than it does you." Anon.
Reply
Guru

Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 507
Good Answers: 3
#4

Re: P22 Piping Welded With E7018

12/10/2010 9:14 AM

I am shocked that this post even exists.

Ron

__________________
I went to Texas A&M, I am proud to be an Aggee. Proud to be an Aggey, Proud to be an Agie.............Proud to have gone to Texas A&M.
Reply
Anonymous Poster
#5

Re: P22 Piping Welded With E7018

12/10/2010 11:24 AM

engineer or not it is smart to question an issue that is safety oriented. i agree with what everyone has said. and now that is in public domain if there is an accident than you,your company will most likely be sued. so i would let those in power of your company know this and now set out to find a qualified welder that is trained in the welding of steam pipes. to many people have been killed or maimed for life due to inadequate planning. repent, repent, cut and weld and sin no more.

Reply
Guru
Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member Safety - ESD - New Member Hobbies - Fishing - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Near Frankfurt am Main, Germany. 50.390866N, 8.884827E
Posts: 17996
Good Answers: 200
#6
In reply to #5

Re: P22 Piping Welded With E7018

12/10/2010 1:07 PM

You are seemingly missing the point, which is probably why you answer under the name guest.......

They should a) have never allowed such an error to occur, they are missing both a qualified "steam" welder and the correctly trained management to oversee the work and make sure its done correctly.......

b) If they have such a question, it should be answered by a Government department or similar, or even another welding company working as advisors.

What if we had all said "yeah, go ahead, no problems......". I do believe this OP would have done just that!!!!!! DISASTER!!!

THATS THE PROBLEM!!!

RonClark said it PERFECTLY!!!

__________________
"What others say about you reveals more about them, than it does you." Anon.
Reply
Participant

Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 4
#7

Re: P22 Piping Welded With E7018

12/10/2010 2:17 PM

P22 is a chrome/moly steel that requires special procedures and filler metals to successfully weld. Although more forgiving than its replacement P91 the joint in question as welded may fail catastrophically. I would strongly recommend removal and repair PRIOR to full pressure service. Even if this joint passes hydro testing it likely will not survive full pressure at specified temps.

Reply
Guru

Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 507
Good Answers: 3
#8

Re: P22 Piping Welded With E7018

12/10/2010 2:54 PM

P22 is a chrome/moly steel that requires special procedures and filler metals to successfully weld. Although more forgiving than its replacement P91 the joint in question as welded may fail catastrophically

Thats not the question here. I have been in this business for > 40 years and have worked with everything from waste water to in process nerve gas (JACADS). The question , as i see it, is the qualifications of the person asking the question? If they have to ask ,something such as this, then they are not qualified to be performing or being even associated with the operation.

Nothing intended, its just having to have been on as many falt analysis as i have and seen the un-necessary loss of life and injuries that have occured, i have to question the qualifications of the person making the original post.

Ron

__________________
I went to Texas A&M, I am proud to be an Aggee. Proud to be an Aggey, Proud to be an Agie.............Proud to have gone to Texas A&M.
Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Guru
Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member Safety - ESD - New Member Hobbies - Fishing - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Near Frankfurt am Main, Germany. 50.390866N, 8.884827E
Posts: 17996
Good Answers: 200
#10
In reply to #8

Re: P22 Piping Welded With E7018

12/10/2010 4:30 PM

GA

__________________
"What others say about you reveals more about them, than it does you." Anon.
Reply
Active Contributor

Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 14
Good Answers: 1
#9

Re: P22 Piping Welded With E7018

12/10/2010 3:42 PM

Wow! How could this mistake even happen?!? During my experiences with steam repair, improper material was not even allowed on the job site, let alone near the actual welding.

Too many accidents have happened to let this one go by unreported.

I hope this person does the right thing!

__________________
The imprtant thing about a goal is having one.
Reply
Anonymous Poster
#11

Re: P22 Piping Welded With E7018

12/11/2010 8:35 AM

Please kindly be informed that welding process for P22 within procedure filler metal essential variable ,cut it out and follow approved WPS

Reply Off Topic (Score 6)
Reply to Forum Thread 11 comments

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

Andy Germany (3); Anonymous Poster (2); dcapps4140 (1); Henk klep (1); ormondotvos (1); ronclarke (2); wjaquith (1)

Previous in Forum: 8" Long Weld Neck Nozzle Replacement to Absorber Vessel   Next in Forum: QA&QC - Welder Qualifications

Advertisement