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Voltage Drop in Cable

12/19/2010 1:55 AM

Is laying method or spacing between two aluminium armoured cable has anything to do with voltage drop in cable..if yes what is minimum acceptable spacing betwwen two cable..

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Re: voltage drop in cable

12/19/2010 2:21 AM

no

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12/19/2010 11:03 AM

I'm hurt. I feel that I have been slighted. I may even be warped because of this injury.

Here I take the time to research the subject of parasitic and capacitive coupling as it relates to line loss and then give a detailed, informed answer and am voted off topic.

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12/20/2010 1:24 AM

Well let"s face it you were wrong, and that is the difference between a researcher reading books and online diatribe and posting and answer, the answer is yes,

For a start and armored cable is not for a ten amp television cord, it means it is at least part of a 3 phase system if not far higher.

For those who want the simple version, all electrical cable emit EMF high voltage EMF creates the same effect as when you roll up a cable and use it, rolled up cables get hot from high EMF creating "CHOKE" high voltage Cable EMF creates EM Fields around straight cable and it creates choke in the cables beside them hence

"Voltage Drop" A bit bewildered this was not picked up straight away, this is junior electrical basics 101.

Trivia, EMF in straight cables can be physically experienced, for those who have never seen it done, stand under high voltage lines at night with a fluro tube and it will light up to a reasonable degree from the EMF charge in the air.

And the rocket science to find the distance??????????The distance is related to the field generated, a small compass held near the line will move as it enters the field.

If you were hurt before, you're gunna need some panadol and a shit load of band-aids now :}

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12/20/2010 2:09 AM

Um - and there I was thinking the 'armor' would be earthy and an EMR shield.

"a 3 phase system if not far higher" - I wonder what is "higher" the number of phases or the voltage?

An I wonder what the Neutral is doing? Be it 'false' or not - like in effect?

An I wonder why 'heat 101' comes into it if it's properly rated for current?

An I wonder why everybody is so frigging angry at every tiny thing.

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12/20/2010 2:39 AM

Higher being higher than 415V, a usual terminology, for single high volatge lines not have dual or 3 core.

Did not notice anything angy in my comment??? Don't recall mentioning heat 101, though do recall mentioning heat from EMF in a coiled line, which will occur no matter how well rated the cable (for those who do not understand electricity and EMF and choke)

Lastly Armour for a cable has no EMF rating at all, though I love the term earthy, not sure whether that implies "your cable" has dirt in the sleeve or some new active line with an earth wire wrapped around it. Armour cables are for physical damage protection.

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12/20/2010 2:44 AM

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12/20/2010 2:49 AM

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12/20/2010 4:14 AM

Thank you soooooooo much for your enlightened response.

Unfortunately, after wading through all your verbal diarrhea, I don't see any answers to the OP's question, "if yes what is minimum acceptable spacing betwwen two cable.."

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12/20/2010 4:28 AM

Hey Lyn - I've done as much as I can but the trolls are overwhelming.

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12/20/2010 8:06 AM

In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really matter. Illegitimus non carborundum.

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12/20/2010 1:01 AM

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12/20/2010 11:24 AM

Thanks. I see that my many admirers don't agree with you.

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12/19/2010 6:05 AM

Yes. 1D (one time of diameter) is from center to center is minimum acceptable spacing.

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12/20/2010 12:59 AM

errr.. WRONG!!

spacing of cables, that is, the distance BETWEEN the cables themselves, has NOTHING to do with the voltage drop ALONG the length of the cable. If you would like a detailed explanation of the correct answer please ask.

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12/19/2010 10:28 AM

Unlikely that this will effect the voltage drop in your cable for most cases, but once again there is insufficient information to tell. If the spacing in your cable is the inter-wire spacing around an iron core then clearly less turns (for the same volume) around the core will produce a lower inductance and a different voltage drop. If this is a radio frequency transmission cable then a different set of concerns come into play. I could go on but I think I made my point.

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12/19/2010 10:30 PM

No, not normally. The spacing is to get rid of heat in the cable (I²R heating). Your local supply authority will have a standard you'll have to use.

Standards are a way of removing all thought from the design process. If you follow the standards it will always work BUT they don't always give the best solution.

I've tried arguing that a cable could be undersized as the load at the end was intermittent and insensitive to the voltage drop. No luck, it has to be done "by the book".

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12/19/2010 10:59 PM

I agree that one should go by standards for cable manufacturing and installation both. Custom cable can be manufactured for a specific installation with well defined specifications that others can understand else will cause serious problem sometime.

Fire, short circuits are crucial considerations.

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12/20/2010 12:27 AM

Method of cable laying will decide the current carrying capacity of cable, which is a parameter for voltage drop calculation. spacing is another derating factor used in current carrying capacity. ...so it is YES

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12/19/2010 10:46 PM

NO! Voltage drop is the product of cable size, distance, conductivity of the material the cable is manufactured from and resistance. However: where resistance results in heating of the conductor spacing according to code and asst. specifications.

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12/20/2010 3:10 AM

OK Brain buckets.. lets look AND answer this question in the literal form can we?

I've noticed that EVERYONE goes off at a tangent in the attempt to prove how vast their knowledge is, but fail to answer the simple question.

In a 3phase cable be it 415volts or 33Kv the sum of the current in those three phases equals.. ZERO.

does that not cancel out the EMF effect?

However in SINGLE CORE cables it is a different matter.... but that wasn't the question

So my question is why do the replies answer unasked questions?

Is it a macho thing.... is it dyslexic readers?

Have a difference of opinion by all means.. but be NICE.. and above all learn to read AND understand the question.

Not only understand the question but also understand who is asking. The OP is from a guest.. That tells me two things... just found this forum, and not a engineer, maybe a student or trainee.... and this "in-fighting" is portraying a darker side of the engineering world.

I wonder if the constant bickering would happen if you were face-to-face... I think not!

OK.. off soapbox now.. Have a Great Christmas all!!

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12/20/2010 3:29 AM

Waddamean "every one"! Vaseline that "Neutral Zero" soapbox - I'm a coming after U Bitch (oops) Birch, ,

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12/20/2010 3:32 AM

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12/20/2010 3:44 AM

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Re: Voltage Drop in Cable

12/20/2010 10:29 AM

no voltage drop uses the formalur of 2 x the distance times the constants of alum x the amprage at the load. over the cma of the wire.

2L x K x ampas

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cma of wire. natiional code alllows for 3 % drop.

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12/21/2010 2:05 AM

Check this for your answer ..http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/57184#newcomments

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Re: Voltage Drop in Cable

01/14/2011 5:37 AM

It has nothing to do with voltage drop in the cable. The cables can be laid in any formation possible i.e., spaced, touching, trefoil formation, one above the other etc. However, the cable rating (current carrying capacity) does get affected by the cable laying method.

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