Previous in Forum: CES Las Vegas 2011 - Active-i   Next in Forum: Salvage of Automotive Parts
Close
Close
Close
8 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Member

Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 6

Laser Cutting

01/14/2011 4:23 PM

Is there any technical papers, or information as to whether Laser cutting is an approved process for cutting aircraft sheet metal or stuctual parts?

Register to Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 42355
Good Answers: 1693
#1

Re: laser Cutting

01/14/2011 4:28 PM

Yes.

Next question?

Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 7)
Power-User

Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 358
Good Answers: 13
#2

Re: laser Cutting

01/15/2011 12:40 AM

Some aluminum alloys cracks in the melted portion of a thermal cut and so after any thermal cutting should guarantee that any potential cracking is removed. A pre-existing cracks on a thermally cut edge can act as a stress riser that could lead to fatigue crack prorogation over the years in aircraft parts.

Register to Reply
Commentator

Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 89
Good Answers: 1
#3

Re: laser Cutting

01/15/2011 1:26 AM

Laser cutting is not common on aircraft sheet metal as it is aluminium. I work with it a lot. you would think it was stainless as it is not anything like aluminium sheet in general and is as hard as a cats head and more springy than Skippy.

Aluminium is a light reflector and heat reflector, when contacted by heat is a super heat sink, so, even coated or painted, this causes the laser to blow back randomly, and though not super noticeable put beside a sheet of mild steel you quickly see how "not" clean the cut really is.

We us it in heat reflection of radiated heat and it is a bitch to work with, the roll itself takes several people to handle it and not from weight, just stopping it from unwinding like a giant super spring.

Structural parts have end result requirements of specification, not standards of manufacturing of how the end result is achieved, (excluding some environmental requirements)

Register to Reply
Member

Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 6
#5
In reply to #3

Re: laser Cutting

01/15/2011 2:30 PM

Thank you for your imput. I believe your problems with aluminum you spoke of are with Co2 Or yag type Lasrs. The new technolgy Fiber Laser for cutting and welding, has solved most of those issues. Fiber can now cut or weld up to I" thk steel, I/2" and some case 5/8th thk aluminum and stainless and at same or better speeds than Yag or Co2. with a nice clean edge. Fiber need much less cooling, hense a very small cooling unit, compared to Yag or Co2 . With Fiber, which has shown to be much longer life, rated minimum 100,00 hours. and much less operating and maintenace costs, repacement parts are a fraction of Co2 or Yag. Fiber has little or no maintenance costs. Operating studies show cost for Co2 $18.00 per hour Fiber $4.00 per hour.

I sell Cy Lasers, and was trying to find out if Fiber cutting is now being used on aircraft structural or sheet metal parts, such as wings skin,and leading edges. I thought with the new Fiber cutting technolgy it may now be an appoved process for aircraft structural parts.

I was told by a company that cut non structural aluminum parts with Co2, that with just a little sanding on thin sheets and a slight skimming by machining on thick parts removes any problem with brittleness, what they call the"P" factor of aluminum. In fact they feel less effect, than when cutting with a turret press.

I know a Skikorski Helcopter engineer, and Phd. wrote a paper on this a few years back, suggesing that at that time with Co2 it did not have any adverse effect at the cutting area, in fact less effect,than where the holes for riveting were drilled or punched. If you want to see Fiber cutting go to www.cy-laser.us Their Fiber machines give a very exceptale cutting edge, it may be solution to your aluminum problem .I think the problem is no one wants to go through the testing, and FAA red tape, to see if this process could be an approved method of cutting.

Thank's again for your reply.

Register to Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Aerospace Engineering - Member United States - Member - Army Vet in the aviation industry

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Bridgewater, Va.
Posts: 2175
Good Answers: 119
#8
In reply to #5

Re: laser Cutting

01/17/2011 9:31 AM

"and FAA red tape"

Amen, and a top reason we use water jet extensively. Of course, since most of our stuff is one-off's we also don't need the high production levels that a laser would help with.

Hooker <-- Dynamic Aviation Grp, Inc.

Register to Reply
Guru
Technical Fields - Technical Writing - New Member Engineering Fields - Piping Design Engineering - New Member

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Richland, WA, USA
Posts: 21017
Good Answers: 795
#4

Re: laser Cutting

01/15/2011 3:28 AM
__________________
In vino veritas; in cervisia carmen; in aqua E. coli.
Register to Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 268
#6

Re: laser Cutting

01/15/2011 9:06 PM

no heat here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jm4_HikMqk&feature=player_embedded

__________________
guds777
Register to Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Power-User
Engineering Fields - Manufacturing Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Mechanical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: USA
Posts: 113
Good Answers: 4
#7

Re: Laser Cutting

01/17/2011 8:39 AM

Laser beam machining in a NADCAP special machining process. Its use is approved on a per part basis by the individual airframe and parts manufacturers. It solely depends on the parts end use and on the company that holds the design rights.

Register to Reply
Register to Reply 8 comments

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

guds777 (1); Hooker (1); krishnan.ng (1); Life is Enerventure (1); lyn (1); protchfoird (1); Ti QE (1); Tornado (1)

Previous in Forum: CES Las Vegas 2011 - Active-i   Next in Forum: Salvage of Automotive Parts

Advertisement