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HONDA CA160

01/15/2011 3:45 PM

Hope that someone can offer some guidance. I just bought a 1968 CA160 with just 3K actual miles. The only thing wrong pertains to 1st gear. When taking of in 1st gear with either light or moderate throttle it sort of randomly "jumps" in and out of gear. There is no gear grinding noise nor clunking sounds. I can take off in 2nd gear with anything from light to heavy throttle without this problem. Third and 4th gears also work fine. I have removed both side engine covers, and the clutch. The shifter properly indexes the transmission into each gear. The spring loaded roller detent on the end of the shift drum also seem in good working order although I don't have any reference as to the spring tension. But, it would seem to "lock" the trans into every gear.

Any help would be most appreciated as I am not looking forward to splitting the cases if I don't have to.

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Re: HONDA CA160

01/16/2011 3:45 AM

Well, It is hard to believe that a 1968 Honda only has 3k miles on it unless it has been in somebodies barn, as a memento to some unfortunately deceased individual, But here are my suggestions regarding your problem.

The sifting linkage is out of adjustment, (external) or possibly worn and thus unable to keep the gears properly aligned, or maybe a bent shifting fork or if the fork is directional maybe it is installed backward, therefore not able to function properly.

The original driver drove the car in 1st gear forever and the gears are worn out. Maybe the original driver couldn't handle the stick/clutch shifting deal and screwed up the edges of both the 1st gear and the first gear in the counter/primary shaft and the taper of the gears no longer is an acceptable condition.

If you cannot determine just what the problem is, I suggest you order a rebuilt tranny and use the one you have as the core replacement.

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Re: HONDA CA160

01/16/2011 10:15 AM

It's a motorcycle, not a car.

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Re: HONDA CA160

01/16/2011 10:43 AM

Is the chain adjusted properly?

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Re: HONDA CA160

01/16/2011 10:49 AM

Google honda motorcycle forums

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Re: HONDA CA160

01/16/2011 11:24 AM

The 1st gear engagement dogs are rounded and the gears will therefore not stay meshed, constantly slipping off. Most likely the shift fork that engages the meshing gears is also bent. These types of failures occur when the operator does not use the clutch, commonly known as power shifting. This bad shifting habit eventually destroys gear engagement dogs and shift forks on whatever gear is being abused.

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Re: HONDA CA160

01/16/2011 5:33 PM

Honda may still have the parts. if not buy a engine and use the gear parts. You will need a dog and a gear.

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Re: HONDA CA160

01/18/2011 5:03 AM

I used to own the same bike back in '68. The transmission is purity stout, the clutch, however, isn't. Starting in first gear puts a greater load on the clutch. Change the adjustment on the clutch to engage more, there should only be about a inch of travel from full engagement to no engagement. Also Honda used a multi-plate wet clutch, make sure you have enough of the right kind of oil.

Good luck, I blew-up my bike twice before moving to a larger size motorcycle.

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Re: HONDA CA160

01/18/2011 11:12 AM

Thanks, I had originally suspected the clutch, but pretty much ruled it out. This 1st gear problem shows itself with even the very lightest of throttle. I can take off in 2nd with VERY heavy throttle putting much more torque on the clutch without any problem. The more thought I put into this problem along with reader's help leads me to think that the problem lies with the shifting forks. Many thanks for you input.

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Re: HONDA CA160

01/18/2011 12:07 PM

sounds very much like contaminated clutch linings or fluid. But it could also be chipped first gear cog, weak or missing clutch springs, faulty shifter detent.

I would flush well, use correct (not close, but exact specified oil, exact quantity listed in manual), and do 15 minutes of high rev. slipping clutch take-offs. (drain, refill, enjoy)

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Re: HONDA CA160

01/20/2011 11:05 AM

The cause of the gear disengagement is a bent, worn, or improperly shimmed shifter fork. If you continue to ride with this condition you will round the engagement dogs of the gears. Honda makes a near bulletproof motorcycle. I would suspect the root cause to be an abusive owner stomping the bike into first gear without using the clutch to get the underpowered thing to wheelie.

I have used the oven in my kitchen to preheat the engine cases to 150 deg. to allow for easier disassembly. I do not recommend this practice, it makes the entire house smell of gear oil.

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