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Building Lot Question

03/29/2007 1:34 AM

Hello Gents,

I have a client that has a commercial building lot, of less than 1 acre . It is a old stump hole that was filled and covered just a few years ago. He wants to build a filling station thereupon the land, but the old stumps are a real problem . I suggested a Civil Engineer to design a concrete post and slab system to allow the sleeping dogs to lie underground; but are there some other less expensive possibilities I have forgotten ? He wanted me to grade it all out & build a basement, but there is a creek on the land at the back ( & quite a good drop off too ), so I suggested a wall at the back allowing the creek to flow - UN touched and then build the building over it on the piers , steel and concrete slab.

One would have a fine view of the flowing waters beneath.

Ideas Please ?

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Bond

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03/30/2007 1:50 AM

1 In South Africa you must do a environmental assessment and obtain approval to do a filling station.

2 To build on a wetland is not a good idea either.

Consider carefully.

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03/30/2007 1:48 PM

I would use corrugated pipe for the creek(see link), be sure to size for max flow at peak periods...Then grade the lot to expose the stumps, and remove them....Fill in with rocky dirt to level grade, then allow to settle...Use concrete sacks for entrance and exit of creek pipe...

http://www.lane-enterprises.com/cap_overview.php

http://www.sciopackaging.com/general.htm

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04/09/2007 8:08 PM

Getting rid of the stumps can be achieved by either dragging them out or using some explosives. Check if you can before trying and explosive method. My main area of concern is where do the tanks go? Petrol is a tightly controlled substance. For good reason. Fire explosion pollution. These are just the tip of a very large ice burgh. There is still the thing of Creek and how to fill the big hole. Is this the only site available. Was it very cheap? I hope your friend can sell it on ok. A petrol (gas) station is the last thing to be built here.

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04/16/2007 12:48 PM

Hello Gents,

Thanks for all your insight and I'll pass along the information. I suggested he sell the bloody lot too, but clients do have their own opinions. After all, it is just A 1 acre lot full of stumps 12 to 15 feet deep.

Got any ideas what other uses "commercially" should he use it for, (other than stump disposal, as it is a bit full) ?

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Bondjamesbond@rock.com

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04/17/2007 9:38 PM

No its got me stumped for now. I'll root around for ideas, some thing will come up sooner or later. These things take on a life of their own.

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04/21/2007 10:34 AM

Hi back to just ask how far is this plot from any other buildings? Is it all on its own or do other businesses exist near by. How big is the creak what sort of water flow, who owns the right to remove water? Just a few ideas stirring deep down.

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04/26/2007 11:11 PM

Hello Sir, Heres a drawing to show you all the concept, just not "to scale" and was to be at the bottom not the top of the page .

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner, But I will now add this to my watched subjects now, as that I can, as a Member. Just what is a member, as that yesterday I was just a browser ? But I Digress.......

The lot is 7/10 of an acre, perhaps more rectangular in shape and the creek is straight across the back. 2 streets front on two sides of the lot and the water , as are all water streams in America now owned by the USA. EPD. We no longer own our own water rights anymore. The land, well - that we pay a tax on , if we want to squat on it an additional year . EPD controls & if one receives a permit to put a pipe in it and move their water it is possible to move their water ; this is the clients desire also.

He also ask if I would remove the 3+ feet of cover dirt and 12+ feet of stumps-tree parts and what or Whoever someone put in that hole, before hiding it with the cover dirt.

Then we are to build him a building with a basement for the sale of Petrol, (American Gasolines Etc.), and a laundry mat. He ask if I knew other ways to which I replied:

If we drill holes down to solid earth pour them full of concrete and rebar in a grid formation we could perhaps, not have the expense of removal or hauling let alone ditching or landfilling elsewhere. He then told me of the fuel station addition and I said maybe in the area of tanks put in a basement room as you do now in the USA for the fuel tanks. Then one can inspect the tanks in the small basement, but not encure the expense all the detailed of removal.

As to the building I suggested a Rammed earth-crete & steel building as its something, we have built before and if termites took over the walls, they would never hurt it. Just build upon the piers & slab foundation.

Any other ideas for this guy as that he really likes this location !

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Bond

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05/08/2007 6:56 PM

you friend has 3,388 suquare yards an acre being 4,840 square yards or 0.405 hectare. Why Gasoline in particular? Is he already in this line of business? Will the local planning authority give planning permission, what if any restrictions will they impose? Will it get enough trade? Can the delivert verhicles get to the site. If you can answer all these questions positively gaet the machines in and start digging or else just sell it.

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05/10/2007 11:46 AM

Dear Sir,

Thank you for your reply. The questions you pose are interesting but none of our business. The client ask if I had other options than the digging up & removal of the trash, before building him a building for his use, not ours.

Cheer up, after all , its just business, his business. If you have any other ideas about what to do, so as not to have to dig up that trash under the lot, before building a structure, I would be glad to bring this to his attention.

Thank You & Best Wishes

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