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Yield Strength

01/22/2011 5:47 AM

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i wanna know why we use tensile strength when we speak about structures and use yield strength in piping in the other way tensile consider for selecting material for vessel and yield for piping also both of the object have yield and tensile strength value?

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Re: Yield Strength

01/22/2011 3:47 PM

I'm not sure of your location but both yield and tensile strengths are important and both are important in the design of any structure to determine safe working stresses and safety margins. One would never load any structure beyond its proportional limit (yield stress) because it defines the point at which the material changes state from elastic to plastic (unless, of course, one is designing a frangible membrane or other safety device which is intended to fracture or fail at a predetermined load).

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01/23/2011 1:06 AM

Dear Sir/Madam

While thanking for your reply ,I'm from Iran where you most probably know it,we have many refinery,wells,oil and gas petrochemicals and ....

as you stated above, yield and and tensile indicate the mechanical properties and both shows the material behavior in different temp,pressure,i know ,but the question is for instance we have pipe ASTM A106 Gr B with tensile (60,000 psi) and yield strength (35,000 Psi),but in all calculation for selection the thickness,pressure calculation and ... just considering the yield strength as the figure for selection and nothing said about tensile and totally yield strength consider for pipe.

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01/23/2011 2:08 AM

hello sha while i am not well versed in the pipeing disciplines etc, - i know that whatever something starts out as - this will not remain the same as time progresses and the system will change and therefore the input compared to the output will shift and change. these are what you have do address thruout the lifetime of the article. regards -

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01/23/2011 2:55 AM

dear rabbit16

sorry but i don't understand your intention.

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01/23/2011 3:14 AM

my intension is to open a path of cummnicacation around which we can continue to converse most of my knowledge is based on direct experience throughout lifes pages.

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01/23/2011 11:39 PM

i well come to you.leave your e-mail to enable me to have correspondence .

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01/24/2011 3:03 AM

my email is rabbit16@telus.net i am 58 years old and have built original objects for people for most of my life - wood - metal - plastics - cements these days i am preparing to start making guitars again as i have done this in the early seventies and now feel it is time to get back into this. hope you are well glc

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01/23/2011 12:12 PM

Bravo Rabbit....Bravo !!!!

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Plzed to meat Sha, Wheras yield, that is to say as related to plane stain is only personified in relation to ASME piping does not relate to tensile. I also know and are well aware that time progresses in intensive reasearch and that systems will change. Basic engineering prroperties(i.e. allowable stress levels) juxtaposed with the artile plan strain does not allow interpolation. In summary, the rteason why tesile strength ( as measured by ASTM methodologies) does not well correlate with the metaphysics of the Repub;ican Party. With liberty and justice for all.......regards;",

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01/24/2011 3:10 AM

well i agree with you principal and thank your consideration. some ideas are in jest yet can contain a seed of reality within. the constraints that maintain a "system" to be in proper operation sooner or later alter enough to become no good. its a fact. regards rabbit

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01/23/2011 2:54 AM

Force applied to a material can be of compression or tension or shear. All materials give with force; too much they break. Fore per area is stress. Tension affects the ductile materials. Below elastic limit material stretches in proportion to stress. Beyond elastic limit stress gives permanent set. At yield point material begins to flow with no increase in unit stress. After that ultimate strength followed by breaking point. We need to design any parts within the safe limit of working forces.

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01/23/2011 5:55 AM

Both the yield strength Fy and the ultimate tensile strength Fu (I'm not sure Fu is the standard notation) are important. Various construction codes consider either or both of these.

To determine allowable stress S, some structural codes use a safety factor of 1.67 based on Fy (i.e., S = Fy/1.67). At least some of the ASME pressure vessel code is based on Fu with safety factor 4.0 (S = Fu/4.0). I think some piping codes use a safety factor of 5.0, but higher safety factors can be specified either in codes or in contract requirements. (Buyers can ask for whatever they want, so long at is ≥ the local code requirement.)

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01/23/2011 6:18 AM

It's not exactly clear to me what information you are looking for. However, failure of a mechanical system can be defined by either breakage or by failure to return to its original shape after being stressed. If breakage is the failure criteria, the designer will use ultimate strength values. If return to original shape is the criteria, the designer will use yield strength. You should also bear in mind that as higher strength steels are specified, ultimate and yield values tend to converge. This simplified explanation ignores effects such as creep and fatigue.

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01/23/2011 12:22 PM

The yield strength or yield point of a material is defined in engineering and materials science as the stress at which a material begins to deform plastically. Prior to the yield point the material will deform elastically and will return to its original shape when the applied stress is removed. Once the yield point is passed some fraction of the deformation will be permanent and non-reversible. Look at the diagram of stress testing at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stress_v_strain_Aluminum_2.png . Ultimate tensile strength (UTS), often shortened to tensile strength (TS) or ultimate strength, is the maximum stress that a material can withstand while being stretched or pulled before necking, which is when the specimen's cross-section starts to significantly contract. Brittle materials, such as concrete and carbon fiber, are characterized by failure at small strains. They often fail while still behaving in a linear elastic manner, and thus do not have a defined yield point. Many materials display linear elastic behavior, defined by a linear stress-strain relationship in which deformations are completely recoverable upon removal of the load; that is, a specimen loaded elastically in tension will elongate, but will return to its original shape and size when unloaded. Beyond this linear region, for ductile materials, such as steel, deformations are plastic. A plastically deformed specimen will not return to its original size and shape when unloaded. After the yield point, ductile metals will undergo a period of strain hardening, in which the stress increases again with increasing strain, and they begin to neck, as the cross-sectional area of the specimen decreases due to plastic flow. In a sufficiently ductile material, when necking becomes substantial, it causes a reversal of the engineering stress-strain curve; this is because the engineering stress is calculated assuming the original cross-sectional area before necking. The reversal point is the maximum stress on the engineering stress-strain curve, and the engineering stress coordinate of this point is the tensile ultimate strength. The UTS is not used in the design of ductile static members because design practices dictate the use of the yield stress. It is, however, used to for quality control, because of the ease of testing. It is also used to roughly determine material types for unknown samples.

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