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Bare Copper Conductor Sizing

01/23/2011 5:33 AM

Dear All,

I want to know how to calculate the bare Copper Conductor for a 40MVA Transformer.

The Basic specs I have are that:- The System voltage is 132/11kV, The main voltage is coming to a 132/11kv 40MVA Trafo Via SF6 (25kA Isc) Breaker through this bare Cu Conductor. How do I size this conductor?

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Re: Bare Copper Conductor Sizing

01/23/2011 5:58 AM

Have you tried Google?

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01/24/2011 7:43 AM

TonyS, I am sure the OP is waiting for CR4's resident Google Engineer Mr Lynlynch to perform the google search. Using Google is one of lyns strongest (only) ability.

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Re: Bare Copper Conductor Sizing

01/23/2011 5:58 AM

Let's hope that no one can ever touch this "bare copper conductor"!

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Re: Bare Copper Conductor Sizing

01/23/2011 8:43 AM

Since you didn't bother to tell us where you are, try either NEC or BS, or maybe even ASTM or NEMA.

If you don't know what any of these are, never mind.

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Re: Bare Copper Conductor Sizing

01/23/2011 11:29 AM

I love these kinds of questions. Allow me to paraphrase this question but add most of the relevant unspoken information that is implied by this question.

Dear All, (Kudos for being polite)

I want to learn how to calculate the cross sectional area and length of copper it takes to make a transformer that can power a small sub-division of about 4 2000 square foot homes. I know that the incoming voltage is a very lethal 11,000 volts and that the arc flash risk is so high that the heavier than air gas sulphur hexa-fluoride will be used to keep moisture away from exposed terminals in this transformer. I'm not worried about the insulation on the copper wire that will have to reside on the windings of this transformer because I haven't thought about it. I'm not worried about the insulation between the input and output windings for the exact same reason. I do not know what type or construction of magnetic core material will be used to transfer this energy from primary to secondary for I have never been formally taught electromagnetic theory. I know nothing about Maxwell's equations, Lenz's law, Faraday's law of induction or any of the other relevant physical laws of magnetism. None of these seem to be relevant to me in choosing the wire cross sectional area.

Can any of the brilliant engineers here with your engineering degrees and many years of real world experience teach me how to calculate this wire size in less than a hundred words? Any time I ask the engineers at work this question they either tell me to just build the transformer according to the paperwork or start by asking me a bunch of questions about things that shouldn't matter like Eddie's current (I don't know Eddie or who he's dating), a phaser (we only need one phase) or what the core reluctance should be (the core is inanimate, it has no feelings).

I thank you in advance.

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01/23/2011 11:49 AM

While not sure... I think he was asking about the conductors feeding the transformer with primary voltage and taking the secondary source away to the distribution. But... it is a crap shoot either way.

Though I did enjoy your response.

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01/23/2011 2:04 PM

Thank you Redfred for taking (Your) Time to explain some very relevant points in a polite and humorous manner. GA done well.

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Re: Bare Copper Conductor Sizing

01/23/2011 11:47 PM

DEAR GUEST!!!

Be specific with your quiries or question. Bare copper conductor? Are you referring to the earthing system or simply the feeder cables sizes via primary incoming overhead transmission lines to handle the full demand load of 40MVA, 132/11KV.. refers to primary or secondary sides?.SF6 normally used in HT/MV step-down substation . To calculate the feeder sizes distance between the transfo to the supplied load and the capacity of connected loads will be considered in order to maintain the line voltage regulation not to exceed 5% at the farthest point of the circuit. The basic formula is P=sq.rt of 3 x V x I x PF of the system. Theoretically this formula is only the basis of determining the full load current of the machines x 1.25 (NEC) will be your cable size then refer to cable manufacture's data. But once your machine or transformer is on-load at certain distance from supplied load/s then it is expected that there is the amount of voltage drop/s along the lines both primary and secondary sides. That is why the cable sizing does not satisfy the formula as mentioned above it must be a point-to-point basis calculation in order to arrive into right-safe cable sizes as per cable manufacturer's standard cable current carrying capacity data. One more important is dont miss to calculate the short circuit fault currents and provide protective device so that your 40MVA transfo is safe.

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01/24/2011 2:32 AM

BS 7671

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Re: Bare Copper Conductor Sizing

01/24/2011 6:02 AM

Dear Dear! Please give some respect to the knowledge and skill of we EEs. In engineering "responsible" behavior is to base things on "exact" or "approximately" exact data and not forget related dangers or eventualities. So if the question is not clear, how can a clear answer be provided and that too in less than 100 words. The best answer, in one word would be NO! Who said, "Learn to say no. If you say yes then keep it".

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Re: Bare Copper Conductor Sizing

01/24/2011 9:49 AM

I recommend contacting a design engineering firm to answer your question, instead of an online forum. Information posted here may not be vigorously researched. But as a start, look here:

http://www.southwire.com/ProductCatalog/XTEInterfaceServlet?contentKey=prodcatsheet46

Assuming a three phase transformer, max MVA of 40 (?), standard HV taps (?) [check transformer nameplate]:

Base HV current rating is 40 MVA / (132 kV X 0.95) / sqrt(3) = 184 amps

Base LV current rating is 40 MVA / 11 kV / sqrt(3) = 2100 amps

May need to uprate based on ambient temp, windage, and short circuit requirements.

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