How Green is Green Industry Highlighting "Green Automotive"

How about submitting this to the Guinness Book of Records in the pompousness × vacuousness category?

You have spent 6 hours on line, trolling for subjects to dish out snide comments too. Get a life or stay on line and complete your application to Guinness.

Better still have a few pints, it will take the edge off and "Guiness is Good for You!"

Admittedly I do sometimes comment snidely on various posts, but it is not because I am trolling for them--it is because such posts pop up incessantly. Over-unity, electrical questions that fail to provide the voltage, questions that repeat something that has already been treated many times, weird conspiracy-theory noise, obvious homework, no prior effort at research, etc.

FWIW, I like Guinness, among other good choices.

Let me say that the tone of the first two replies would put sincere people off joining the discussion and for that I apologize.

I do hope some people have some different perspective on the issue and are willing to ignore the bad start and share their ideas.

Was there some kind of question to be answered here? Or was it "sneakily shelved" into some deeper thought? Sorry, I don't get it.

Questions: lines 2-3 from start and line 5 from the end!

Really???? That would be delusional.

Innovations never call for external support. It is better you work out your idea in a realistic perspective, say a small scale proto model and know your self. *Battery cars are good for short range transport and not workable for long range transport as well the load and speed capacities.. * If you want to contain single passenger or minimal passenger low range vehicles, focus your work to that limit. *Battery storage of electricity is a fantasy right from Edison's days. The winner is undoubtedly IC engine run by hydro carbon compacted fuel chargers. * Electricity and cars are linkable for zero emissions. but not by batteries.

I can't find a "?" in the original post.

Engineers are trained to make decisions based on hard data, math, and science, not emotions like suspicion, fear, and paranoia.

Battery technology is beyond the simplistic 7000 cell example suggested. There is also a large and expanding recycling infrastructure for battery types typically used in EV's.

With a little research, data can be found that supports the hypothesis that EV's are cleaner(by at least a small margin) than internal combustion vehicles (ICV's) when charged from "dirty" grid sources. If EV's are recharged from home or utility based "renewable" sources, they easily win the cleaner/dirtier debate.

To be successful on a large scale (not the tiny numbers we'll see this decade) any battery system adopted for use in EV's will have to pass environmental impact (both production and recycling), performance, reliability, and cost goals which should guarantee EV's will continue to be a cleaner alternative to ICV's. The reduced functionality(limited range) of current EV's and the cost penalties(even with subsidies) are the major hurdles for now. Battery technology still needs further improvement and sales volumes need to increase to bring manufacturing costs down before we see a mass market movement towards EV's.

While EV's may fill a large percentage of commuter vehicle applications in 20-30 years, I still see many transportation applications where ICV's will remain the only viable option. Fuel "sources" may shift, but ICV's will be around for a long time.

I can assure you that the technology you say is simplistic is very very state of the art in the company that I speak of, it is not a sample , it is a fact.

Their car has gone 300+ miles on one charge. Their battery packs are exactly as I describe to you. Their next vehicle is a beautifully styled 4 door sedan. The battery technology is identical to their older Roadster model. The battery packs may have to be increased to supply power to a much bigger, heavier car.

"Battery technology is beyond the simplistic 7000 cell example suggested. There is also a large and expanding recycling infrastructure for battery types typically used in EV's".

I don't know anything of the recycling of these batteries and would welcome an education on it.

I agree that battery technology will have to and has made great strides in recent years. My Forum thread was just to see what others think on the subject.