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What Type of Footing or Foundation Will I Use?

01/27/2011 8:14 AM

i am an architecture student currently working on my thesis a 15 storey hotel iam just wondering what basic foundation or footing will i use on a reclaimed land? in pasay philippines. details and drawings will be very much appriciated ty.

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Re: What type of footing or foundation will i use?

01/27/2011 8:27 AM

You must provide the details of the site. Maybe you should just ask your instructor to provide details and drawings and see what he gives you.

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01/27/2011 11:50 AM

Just adding to what lynlynch has said, you need a lot more information to design such a foundation. If I were designing the foundation, I would want the architect to supply conceptual drawings showing the plan layout and the depth of the basement or underground parkade if applicable.

I would then call a geotechnical firm to drill a number of test holes throughout the site and prepare a soil report. The soil report would contain logs showing the variation of soil types, the moisture content and blow count at various depths. It would contain a detailed description of the geology of the area. It would indicate areas of old fill.

Finally, the soil report would offer recommendations as to foundation type. If applicable, it would provide an allowable soil bearing value for shallow foundations, i.e. footings. It could offer an alternate using drilled piles or caissons and would provide the criteria to size those. Depending on what is found in the soil investigation and what type of equipment is available locally, driven steel or precast concrete piles could be suggested as options for the engineer to consider.

In your situation, you do not have all of this information, so you either have to get it from your instructor or make it up yourself. In the Philippines, you would have to consider seismic effects and possibly typhoons, both of which have an effect on the foundation of a fifteen storey building.

You should undertake to do the work yourself as best you can. If you run into difficulties, CR4 members would be pleased to offer suggestions, but please do not expect details and drawings from this or any other forum.

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01/27/2011 11:52 AM

If this building is to be constructed on reclaimed land then a exhaustive Geotechnical study of the underlying soil mass needs to be undertaken of the condition there. This includes numerous soil borings being taken, sample of which will be bought back to the soils laboratory and tested and examined by a certified Geotechnical Engineer. This engineer will most likely issue a Geotechnical Engineering Report, also known as a Soils Report which will include recommendations for design and constructing a the building foundation system.

Of primary concern for a building being supported by a fill area is short-term and long-term soil consolidation (subsistence). In wet areas and landfill areas this can be substantial!

In your part of the world I'd be very worried about an earthquake event where the in-fill area liquefies and the foundation shakes like "Jello" and ultimately the foundation looses its support, thereby resulting in a catastrophic building collapse.

In this sort of scenario, I can envision that properly designed end bearing piles, either steel or precast concrete) be driven to bedrock below the fill area. Atop of a grouping of piles will rest a reinforced concrete pile cap. You can also construct cast-in-place caissons that extend down to the bedrock. Piles or caissons will resist the earthquake lateral forces and building resistance movements. The building columns and exterior bearing wall facade (if present) itself will rest on the pile caps. All of these structural foundation elements must be designed by a Licensed Structural Engineer.

Again, it is IMPERATIVE that a geotechnical study be performed or else you're asking for an ultimate collapse of the building, and will be eventually held and convicted in a court of law for gross incompetence etc. for any and all property damages and fatalities and injuries to the people effected by such a collapse. That is the real reality of the situation.

Good luck on your project!

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Re: What Type of Footing or Foundation Will I Use?

01/27/2011 12:04 PM

thank you all for your suggestions il just stick with pile footings and study it. TY

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01/27/2011 2:49 PM

since this is just a thesis, then it isn't worth doing the geotechnical investigations unless the project is really being done. in any case, it is not your responsibility to oversee the geotechnical investigation, it is the engineers responsibility.

on reclaimed land (reclaimed from a water logged area it is understood) the soil is still settling and will probably continue to do so over the next hundred years with the initial settlement in the region of 300mm to 2000mm as a first estimate.

i am imagining that the land was reclaimed about 30 years ago and that the major initial settlement has taken place with an additional long term settlement to be taken account of. once again, the geotechnical report and the structural engineer would normally respond to your questions with respect to this.

for your project, it is typical to use long piles that will go down to the stiff clay strata (assuming that this reclaimed land is in some form of estuary). these piles would be about 600mm diameter and about 60m long. one thing to look out for is the negative skin friction on the piles due to the upper levels of the soil pulling the pile down as it settles.

it is possible to envisage the use of a raft foundation as you do have several basement levels but most engineers would steer away from this as it is not so easy to assess the hydrostatic pressures that might be exerted on the raft.

your question really needs you to sit down with an engineer and assess the likely sub strata of the reclaimed land. generally when they reclaimed the land they already did some bore holes to know the soil profile or at least someone else has done boreholes not far from your site. contact them if you can or contact the building authority who keep a record of all the boreholes in the region.

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01/27/2011 5:05 PM

I agree with you for the most part Guest regarding your statements (a thoroughly good one at that), but even if this building isn't going to be built he should be aware as an Architectural student what questions he needs to know to ask the engineers sometime in the future when this isn't a educational exercise anymore. He also needs to be prepared and know what his real time options will be in the future as well.

Too many times to be counted I've run into Architects, both young and inexperienced and older ones that should know better, I've found didn't know squat really about structural systems and the various options that are available. Plainly, they just don't teach enough structural theory and the practical engineering applications. Pretty limited engineering focus in their chosen profession in my mind...very limited indeed! they sure know how to work miracles with shape, form and function, oppps I forgot light and texture too, but forget the important stuff like if it can stand up by itself at all?

I was just trying to steer him down that path and give him some for thought so tht he starts thinking for himself and for his future as a professional.

Have a great day!

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01/29/2011 4:55 AM

you would need to have test results of the ground compaction before you can do any calculations. this is normally done by drilling test holes.

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