Volvo s60

The "cam position" message suggests that the timing chain may have slipped, which also is consistent with your other symptoms. I don't understand how any suspicions would have pointed to the throttle body, except maybe a sticky shaft.

I think I see exactly what your problem is you have a P0014. If you do a simple Google search for a P0014 you'll find that your Volvo has been infected with a GM error code. Now many of the guys out there infected with this dreaded condition were advised to do several simple, obvious things to fix their GM vehicle. Only a very few of these troubled souls ever came back to their automotive forums with good news. I don't want to waste your precious time by telling you what these guys did or where you can find these testimonials, because so very few of them came back happy. Instead you'll just have to fly me down to your vehicle so that I can lay my hands upon your machine. I don't know how many days it will take me to solve your problems, but I'm certain that with my troubleshooting capabilities and your impeccable line of credit I can set you straight. You can make all the arrangements through Lyndoor® Industries.

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what abou the !!Engine System Service Required!! this message still on for 5 consecutives days????????, and I change the engine oil 6 day ago!????

I need to take the car to a mechanic to put the car in time? or change the cam sensor?????

before I change the throttle body, the engine shut off when I stop in a red light, but after the throttle change the car never shut off again but, Still shake it like a wash machine after ran for at least 20 minutes, this its ONLY when I stop the car, while driving at the highway its perfecttttt!!!!

thanksssssss

Dave

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Again, I would encourage you to send air fair, and a list of available refreshments, and I will personally suck down the pina-coladas research the possibilities. Till then, take a good look at the cam sensor, and the related wires. It could have been disturbed during the throttle body change. If you can not see a repairable issue, you may want to change out the cam sensor yourself. Or perhaps the airfare offer will sound better.

(Caution, Lyn-door Industries still has a law suit pending caused by them trashing a hotel.)

I will be following this thread with extra interest , as I believe its not possible to pinpoint the problem without LOADS more Information.

What mileage--year of manufacture--why was the Throttle body was replaced, was there any previous problems in the same area--When did the Vehicle last ran perfectly, if ever since you owned Vehicle?

If the the vehicle is high mileage how did the fault appear gradually or intermittently ?

A slack timing belt or timing chain can often show up as a Camshaft position sensor fault , because the Crankshaft and Camshaft are no longer in the correct relationship with each other. Sometimes low oil pressure can cause timing chain hydraulic tensioner to "Relax" a bit therby allowing looseness in timing chain set ups. Low oil pressure can be caused by using the wrong spec. oil or cheap and nasty oils !!!

the milleage is 112250 miles year 2002, and the throttle body was change cause I call the dealer to verify my car, then they change it for free, but before change it the throttle the car was fail and the engine shut off at least once a day.

Agreed, its going to take at least two Long Island Ice Teas and a nice Cigar before the problems is even identified. Then a couple of umbrella drinks and another Cigar with Charo going coochie, choochie on the other side of the hood to get this one done.

Maybe it's just too obvious a question but...why haven't you taken it back to the dealer yet?

because, they change the Throttle body for free, the cost was $2000.00, and mi car have no guarantee already, they have an Expensive charge for everything!!

thats why im try to find some answers here, Always my friends from here help me with my cars problems, I found answers and solutions here for my Mercedes Benz, Jaguar, Mazda RX-8

all smog and immision related devices are covered by ten year 100,000 mile gov mandated warranty, thermal failure of cam pos sensor should be covered if under this term,

Sincerely
Mitch retired Peugeot mech

thanks mitch, but the car has already 112250 miles

You say the car runs perfectly at highway speeds, but only shows the poor running and stopping at idle,but this only shows up after 20 minutes? I am ignorant of the Volvo s60 injection system. Is it a TBI (throttle body injection) system? Do you know why your throttle body was changed? Some systems with problems which change after 20 min or so are being affected by the switch-over from startup initial settings to full computer control after warmup. These miscellaneous indications suggest --- well, something is wrong down there. Maybe a committee of potential experts would be better than just one person to visit. I have friends heading down there tomorrow . . .

Really though, more info of what is wrong is needed before delving into how to fix it with information from Volvo owners.

Do you have the ability to have the stored trouble codes read?

The OP. States on the first posting that he is reading a POO 14 code on his scan tool, because this thread is so far without any definite solution . I will make a few more observations/suggestions, As I have a background in this area, The first thing I do is visually check all vacuum pipes as a simple vacuum leak can cause havoc , second thing I try With the engine ticking over/idling, is to spray some WD 40 around the Throttle body and intake manifold ,( be very careful here and make sure you have a fire extingusher handy as I always do myself) a change of idle speed would indicate a vacuum leak.

In many cases where the fault is between cold start and warm running I would try a Water tempretature sensor swap, or just take some readings if you know the values that should be present on the water temprature sensor.Check or replace the MAF Sensor ,

To summerise you need to have good diagnostic equiptment or empirical knowledge of the ,in your case VOLVO system.

I often find the problem is much simpler ,and will always check all the spark plugs and leads , The leads can be checked by looking under the bonnet at nightime and any sparks would indicate which lead is faulty, Air and fuel filters on high mileage vehicles are often overlooked so just change them to eliminate them .http://volvoforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9856

It has a cam shaft position sensor and a crankshaft position sensor. My quess is one of the went bad. Change both.

If I recall correctly, that year Volvo has a throttle by wire system. When the "throttle body" is replaced, the engine ECM needs to be programmed to accept the new T/B. If not, the car will either not run or run like crap. These were the subject of a recall and replacement program by Volvo. You may want to check if the recall had been done previously, (The dealer can check it by the VIN), if not there should be no charge.

The car has 112,000 miles--has the timing belt been replaced? The belt should be replaced at 100,000 miles. Also replace the tensioner. Make sure the tensioner is adjusted properly. I would suggest replacing the water pump at the same time because it shares the timing belt.

Beyond that--check the basics, google the P0014 code and diagnose the problem. Replacing sensors on a whim is not cost effective and is poor practice.

Guest ? You have not read the full thread or were not paying attention! The OP has stated that he had the Trottle body replaced free of charge by a main dealer, In my last posting I included a link to a specialist Volvo site, that site has all the fault codes listed including the POO 14 Code that is showing on his vehicle.Fitting sensors on a whim as you describe it is usually only going to cost a tiny fraction of the cost, if for example he went to a main dealer or "Specialist" So sometimes/ mostimes it is cost effective and most importantly its a DO IT YOUR SELF type of job .

On a lighter note I will also volunteer to FLY down , at the OP s expense to assist in further diagnostics LOL.

I did read the full thread. The OPs statements are a bit confusing---

"because, they change the Throttle body for free, the cost was $2000.00, and mi car have no guarantee already, they have an Expensive charge for everything!!"

I take this to mean that the TB was free but they charged him $2000. Though not neccessary, perhaps he could clarify.

A T/B costs around $500-, I beleive it could be replaced in an hour, and the reprogram charge is around $125--, So I'm not sure what the $2000- is for. And, IIRC it was the subject of a bulletin/recall and should be free.

I maintain that if he does it himself with his friends as he stated earlier, than it is best to troubleshoot the code instead of throwing parts at it. But, before anything, begin with the basics.

I hope he tells us what the problem was and the fix.

Enjoy your trip

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It sounds like the dealer introduced additional problem(s) to guarantee that you'll come back for the proper repairs. I have seen this practice before when I had worked for Auto dealers. When your not mechanically inclined or too lazy to do the work yourself, your taken advantage of. In these rough economic times, the repair shops or Dealers have to look for ways to drum up business. I seen a Volvo customer get charged $750.00 dollars for a quart of automatic tranny fluid,(the fluid level was a quart low and wouldn't shift), because they didn't check the fluid level before they brought it in for a tranny over haul. (I left that shop after that incident). So, you might start with the basics and check all the electrical connectors to the position sensors, throttle body and for (as stated earlier), vacuum leaks, along with the cold idle circuits. That's my 2 cents worth of info. You might also look into buying cars that are less expensive to maintain.

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