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What Type of Gas Detector Should be Used for Offshore Installation?

02/23/2011 8:48 PM

Our company has portable gensets of 225kVA which are used in offshore platforms. In order to conform with offshore Zone II requirements, the genset is installed with a gas detector that will give a signal to shutdown the genset when natural gas is detected. The gas detects methane (CH4). But I found out there is one particular detector that detects propane (C3H8).

My question is; is the use of a propane detector correct? Natural gas consists of mostly methane and propane is only in a low level. Methane is also lighter than gas while propane is heavier. I'm trying to check the standards but I hope the feedback from this forum will make it faster to get the answer.

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02/23/2011 9:52 PM

The relevant criterion is "methane," not "offshore." (Nor "225 kva" nor "propane" for that matter.) A Google search returns gazillions of hits on "methane detector"; and you can subtract out any hits on "propane detector."

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02/23/2011 10:22 PM

Hi, The term offshore Zone II is relevant as there is a standard that we need to conform for use in that location. On other locations, there might be different standards. What I'm questioning is, why is propane detector installed instead of a methane detector? Is it wrong installation or there is a specific purpose for propane detector? Using common sense, methane detector should be used since high percentage of natural gas is methane.

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02/23/2011 10:36 PM

Maybe somebody screwed up? Welcome to the world of reality; it happens all too often.

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02/24/2011 12:12 AM

for ONG, we usually use detronic pirecla for gas detector. It detects hidrocarbon gas. no need additional device to waste your money !

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02/24/2011 4:32 PM

Since a gas which is lighter than air for example Natural gas or Hydrogen quickly rises up and accumulate under the roof, you will have to install the gas detector at the ceiling level, while a gas heavy than air such as propane will accumulate at floor level or in the cable trench below floor level accordingly the gas detector will be installed under the slab of the cable trench.

Common sense is that one detector is inadequate due to placement when you encounter both heavier and lighter gases.

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02/25/2011 8:55 AM

In ATEX Zone ll methane falls under Group llA which is the propane group. Based on the ignition curves methane requires more voltage or current to ignite then say hydrogen. Group llC is the most dangerous group in the ATEX gas groups. If this is a NEC zone 2 area then methane falls in group D (per NEC). If you are looking to detect methane a propane detector should be ok. Propane has a lower ignition rating so it takes less energy to ignite than methane. Based on the codes both should work for ATEX zone ll group llA/ NEC class 1 zone 2 group D.

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02/25/2011 9:17 AM

In reality, almost all gas detectors will detect almost all gases within a broad range but the detected gas would be indicated as a % of the gas which the instrument was calibrated for. For example, a reading of 50%LEL Methane could also be caused by another concentration of another gas. I don't remember the particular equivalencies, they should be listed in the instruction manual of the gas detector, but for example a concentration of 20%LEL ethane might show as 80%LEL on a methane gas detector.

The propane detector was probably put there either by mistake or to detect propane and give a direct reading for propane. Propane is very often found wherever you have natural gas unless your offshore platform is downstream from the gas separator unit and physically located far away from the separator.

It should also be noted that LEL gas detectors are only accurate up to the 100% of the LEL level and not above it. Methane has a LEL of 5% and an UEL of 15% therefore a methane gas detector is only accurate up to 5% concentrations where this is 100% of the LEL.

Not to be confusing but methane gas detectors are usually calibrated to a known equivalency of methane by using a pentane gas mixture. Likewise some ethane gas detectors are calibrated with the same pentane mixture but to a different % gas level.

Other postings about the methane gas rising are not relevant since good practices are to check for the gas at three different levels- floor, mid-level and upper level. You can not satisfactorily predict where the gas positively will not be. Also if the leak is below the level you are checking at, the gas would probably be more concentrated at your floor level than at your upper level.

If you are trying to comply with a standard the best source of information concerning the standard is the standard itself, not a forum where you can not verify the qualifications of the personnel who are answering your question. The poster could be very qualified to answer your question but not as elequent a writer as someone else who doesn't know anything about the subject but is a better composer of verbage.

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02/25/2011 9:36 AM

I'd be a bit more concerned about H2S myself.

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02/25/2011 10:14 AM

Maybe two small pilot lights, one high and one low, will solve the problem all together.

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02/25/2011 1:37 PM

No you should use the Methane detector, its a lighter gas than the propane one so if you detect it then the equipment should be stopped.

If you wait for the accumulation of a heavier or denser gas you might have already an explosive atmosphere present which is dangerous.

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02/25/2011 4:26 PM

Propane stores more easily than methane, it's liquid at temperate zone ambient temperatures.

Is there any likelihood that propane is bottled/stored for emergency use in a genset and that the propane detector is installed to monitor the storage facility?

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