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Double Earthing

03/05/2011 3:33 PM

what is double earthing of electrical equipment?.

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Re: double earthing

03/05/2011 4:19 PM

Somewhere between single earthing and triple earthing. ??

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03/05/2011 4:33 PM

guruprasad, You must be very wise if you have given yourself the title of Guru. Of course, around here, Guru only means you have frittered away enough of your life to have stumbled upon a correct answer occasionally. Have you ever heard the expression, "belt and suspenders approach" when referring to a way of insuring that you have "all your ducks in a row"?

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03/05/2011 9:31 PM

Guru Prasad stands for blessings of Guru, Prasad is normally distributed in Indian worship places after prayer, it can be any kind of sweetener,

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03/06/2011 4:03 AM

Thanks to you, and kvsridhar for the enlightenment.

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03/05/2011 11:07 PM

Lyn,

Your understanding of 'Guru' is just what you seem to know in your context. BTW, it is also a name of a person in some cultures and this is what it purports to be in this case, so I suggest you use your barbs only when you are absolutely certain of what you know!

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03/06/2011 1:27 AM
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03/05/2011 7:38 PM

Double earthing or double insulation?

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03/06/2011 12:20 AM

Do you mean double insulated as denoted on equipment such as electric drills by a square within a square?

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03/06/2011 1:33 AM

Two separate earth connections. If one fails, the other is intact, so the operator is safe. Paraphrasing lyn's "Belt and suspenders(braces in English English) ", if one fails, the other is still there to keep the pants up

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03/06/2011 7:30 AM

Re: "If one fails, the other is intact, so the operator is safe."

This can cause problems if it is done improperly, especially in instrumentation / control systems. You don't want to cause currents to circulate in the neutral or shield of instrumentation wiring.

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03/06/2011 10:03 AM

Human Safety takes precedance over equipment/instrument safety. If anything is done "improperly", it will cause trouble. If double earth connection - done improperly - causes problems to instrumenttaion/control systems, what if the 'only' earth conection is also done improperly?

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03/06/2011 11:59 AM

I don't know about double earthing. But with an 11KV 1000KVA I would run 3 X 95mm. one each to the HV connection, the tank and the LV connection box.

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#13

Re: Double Earthing

03/06/2011 12:31 PM

Hire a qualified electrician to do the installation.

If the first ground system malfunctions, what makes you think the 2nd one won't as well?

What if the equipment we connect is a life safety equipment and due to ground loops it malfunctions? Then what?

How about Healthcare installations where event he slightest current flow because of different ground potentials can cause serious injury or even death?

Many jurisdictions actually will prohibit the installation of more that one grounding system within a facility and require that all such systems be interconnected (at one location only)

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03/07/2011 7:38 AM

Just a little bit more on this, (and I guess we have gone too far from the OP).

The OP should show more clearly of where this double earthing is applied. Since this would make other people confused and misunderstood.

I think that there are more than three systems called "double earthing" existed.

  1. Equipment "double earthing", which is applied to a large machine. This will be done separatelly from the system earthing. It means to say that the first earthing is failed. We have another one.
  2. Lightning Down Conductor: Sometimes we have to use 02 down conductors connected to the earth mesh. It does not mean that because of we using smaller conductors. We need to have two separated earthing system and run down with two conductors to these separated earthing mesh. According to the size of the facilities needed to be protected, the 02 or more down conductors would be required.
  3. Double earthing: As we stated above, this kind of earthing willl require two down conductors to the earth mesh and is applied for sytem earthing. The purpose is to backup when one of them broken.
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03/07/2011 8:28 AM

The way I read this is that you are proposing to install 2 grounding/earthing conductors in parallel between the equipment and the system ground grid?

That is simply a matter of conductor redundancy, not double grounding which I take to be the installation of two electrically isolated grounding systems. Nothing wrong with that, but again why not do the installation right in the first place?

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03/07/2011 8:52 AM

Not really install in paralell. They would be connected to separated locations.

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03/07/2011 12:25 PM

Hell, I have four types of ground at my installation. Each has its own purpose, but as pointed out, they all come together at common points.

Seems like the poster is referring to a redundant type of system for something that may be subject to physical damage, hence the "backup" ground connection.

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03/07/2011 7:24 AM

Double Safety!

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