Light Power Cell System

Have you actually done any studies of the amount of "spent artificial light energy" your system could capture and the amount of electricity you could generate per some unit of surface area?

I'm also having trouble with the term "spent" in connection with artificial light energy.

"Spent" artificial light would have no energy. "Reflected" artificial light would perhaps produce some small amount of electrical energy, but I don't see any pay-off.

Or, am I getting ahead of the game?

Actually, spent is an improper reference when it comes to the light its self, our pockets feel it tho as spent, right. So recovery of the light is all profit. The ROI is the question. Strength is in numbers and the more LPCS in place then the higher the useable current the greater the value of the energy. OK! Now the surface area is small per LPCS, cost is low. That of course is for now in the prototype I have displayed. Other ways of applying the cells and type of light fixture there will be different amounts of energy available. For instance LED is more powerful then Fluroescent. Incandescent and higher wattage bulbs like Mercury vapor and so on, the more power available with even less amounts of cells. Placement has to be close to the source but not blocking or obstructing the light on its intended area of coverage.

I see what LPCS do every day and have tested evry type of light, ok maybe not everytype, but have seen the capabilities. Especially in the 24hr per day environments. If you hold a dollar in front of you and turn on a light then leave the light on and take the dollar away then you see what we do every day of our lives. Now put back a portion in front of you say 10 to 20%. The last thing for this comment I will say isthis. No where to go but up. As technology improves so will the LPCS. If we don't do this then we are wasting dollars each year.

Thanks for the questions and the next time a department store is visited, look up and be amazedof what can and will be done with all the light.

LPCS / Gary

I just joined the GE site & will be "voting" for all these 1/2 arsed ideas :D

But...

If you succeed in higher efficiency, won't your device just soak up all of the light?

I forgot to check the LynDoor™ Industries catalog before I posted. They probably have these already.

Don't you remember, we had to discontinue the LynDoor Industries™ Black Hole^® Generating system before it ever went into production. It kept sucking all the light out of the fluoroescent light tubes in the office.

Of course, if it's dark there is no "spent artificial light" to capture.

HAHAH NO I am not wrapping the entire light with it, all though I had thought about it.

Efficiency to me means the light capturing devices able to do a better job converting the light sent there way with the same amoiunt of light. Reflection of the light happens anyway due to the surface of the thin film cells having a glossy surface. I can aslo use mirror film covering the cells and do a better job reflecting useable light and allowing light to pass through the film and using it too. How much better can I get, well that depends on technology, no where to go but up. Gets better everytime.

Tell me more about the catalog if you would be so kind.

LPCS

Gary, why are you not telling us about your patent application?

I will allow my partner lyn to tell you about our catalog: I am in R & D. I come up with crazy ideas, he finds us pigeons potential customers. Actually, we both come up with some pretty crazy stuff!

I have a Patent and a Patent pending that may be dead. The pending patent is my fault for not finishing but my first one cost me an arm,a leg and other life things, like money. So I have not pursude it furhter. The first patent is all about a device to control the media input for children and anyone else neading control of. It is idle at this time, Light Power Cell System has to go on its own merit. If I don't do it somemone will in one form or other. need anything else? I come up with things that will help humanity and make me rich, lol.

Gary,

You'll learn very quickly that I speak my mind. It's put me on the naughty step more than once.

Why don't you just improve the present delivery system so there aren't all those excess, wasted photons bouncing around where you don't want them?

Then we wouldn't have to produce essentially redundant systems at the generator and the light source?

_{Doorman: Make a note to work on a photon trap. This waste light thing may actually come to something.}

This will be ridiculously inefficient.

But then zero has no way to go but up, too.

"But then zero has no way to go but up, too."

_{Doorman, Tornado is perfect for our VP of Marketing position. With his type of presentation................But then zero has no way to go but up, too. :) That's LynDoor™ if I ever heard it!!!}

I have already been marketing your stuff from time to time. Where's my commish?

But then 10% times zero sales = zero, so I guess I can't complain.

But then further, I can just manufacture these items on the side, and reap 100%

I ain't seen no patents yet, not even any joe.fordham "provisional patents."

Come and get me! (I need a neener-neener nose-thumbing emoticon, but I doubt the Admins would add one.)

I don't want to come after you, I want help convincing the world they need this..and make a ton of money doing it.

You've got an interesting idea and ideas of similar worth have won awards in the past.

It would be interesting if you could do a few "back of the envelope" calculations using existing devices (perhaps sourced from "LynDoor Industries") and estimate what the cost and return would be.

Good start.

Now, how big an area of PV cells do you need? Looking it up in a catalogue, I find a cell about 150mm square, cost about $20 will give that gives 100mA @ 6V in Full sunlight (typically 100,000Lux).

You'll have to add extra cells (x20) to cope with a typical office with fluroescent lighting (500Lux).

So, you're looking at something 2m x 2m costing $400 to get 100mA in a typical office .

You can multiply that by 4000 light fittings and add a bit extra for the associated wiring, maintenance etc and get a ball-park figure (you may need to get some more toilet paper).

see my sample belo and tell me what ya need to know!!! I paid $1.65 each and shipping was a screw job of 3.25. If i was to order a gazillion of em then maybe I would get a brake or two...I have a bright idea and you know it.

Here is an example Of LPCS. For explanations here it is, The thin film stips are .5 x 2.25" rated at 12 ma 4.25 volts. In this sample is two of these strips operating three green Jumbo led operating at max 3.2 volts and 20 ma each. Each spot light is a 12v dc or ac input mr16, one on left is 6w and the one on right is 3watt. Obviously the spot lights are run from external power supply but the battery and green lights is maintained and run by those two lights the thin film power film strips. I have more photos if you need them but here is an example of how well this is working and by the way the led spot lights are not affected in performance, at least as far as I can tell. The more LPCS I have in parallel the better the output. I hope this helps understand what I am seeing a little better.

Gary

Oh the cost of each thin film strip is about $4.50 USD and each spot light can be found for under $10.00USD. Battrey pack is optional.

moving from marketing to examples is a step

where's the data?

stuff like lumens at the point of use?

may a side by side demonstration of a book on a desk

all factors equal: distance, reflector, input watts

in the example above what is the difference in price?

cost of operation?

Personally, I don't want green lights except when I'm driving :D

Did you see the sample thin film strip? The manufacturere says:

It says 12 ma at 4.10 volts. I am running three at 20 ma green leds and using two thin film strips. Isn't that like a mega bunch of suns worth at a small amount of capturing device and isn't that beyond the ARTIFICIAL light concept compared to our mighty SUN. I really get lost sometimes and need to find my way home...Green is good after all/

Each spot light is run by a 12 v a/c power supply so I have a hard time figuring input other than using my mapawatt meter. that is lying as it says i am using 7 watts for 9 watts of light..anyway...I really love this stuff as it amazes me everday.....

If you can't design, carry out & document proper tests, how can you tell if the concept makes any sense?

You're right! I will do my best to do that, thanks.In my head and my daily workings I see the results, but on paper or to write it is hard to do. I hold high regard and respect to those that can do it in their sleep. I unfortnately have to work at it real hard on top of invisioning it and making prototypes that work. I see it why can;t evryone else??????Right!!!

The output will always be less than input. You must do an economic analysis over a period of time.

I think you just did

How would you see this applying to the LPCS. Explain a bit.

I start with nothing and produce something. Thats more than anyone has done since Edison invinted it. In other words. we turn the light on and the light vanishes. As soon as you turn it off it has served its purpose. LPCS can take the energy, store it and release it later or somewhere else. For years we burned the lights and complained of the cost. Now I can change that, that has to be be good. LPCS is for humanity not against it.

LPCS /Gary

This is not an technical explanation this is marketing

We deal in science & data for the most part on this site

for me I really don't care what the input is as we do it every day and we hate it. Turn the lights on then turn them off. I can reuse it over and over again. endlessly, somewhere physics or science or just plain sense is in my favor. I come out on top no matter how i see it...

As far as I understand it, most of the energy given off by most light sources is "Heat", if that could be captured and turned into electricity then it would be a good saving?

Xanasax

Where I live this heat is welcome as-is. Air temp right now is +4⁰F, with a forecast low tonight at -15⁰F.

Brrrrrrrr.

BRRRRRRRR is right or is it BBBBRRRRRRRIIIIIGGGGHHHHHTTT, anyway bright is good and light is bright,,,right....

True dat, however some light emitting devices are low heat, example is 40 watt fluroescent 4 ft tube ligths, very cool and very powerful lights if used with the right power cells. paint on would be best then all you have to do is replace a bulb every so often. Sorry but waste not want not... right or is it left. Amorphous cells is the way to go, did i say calculator!!!!!