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Mentioned North Direction Only..... Why

03/16/2011 1:07 AM

In all drawings (civil architectural) are mentioned north direction only..... why ?

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Re: mentioned north direction only..... why

03/16/2011 1:15 AM

Most of us can compute the rest of the directions once north has been specified. Maybe in Tasmania and Tierra del Fuego, they use south, which works just as well.

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03/16/2011 1:19 AM

It saves ink, and the rest of us can figure out the other three directions if we know which way north is.

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03/16/2011 7:30 AM

If you are asking why just one direction Tornado & Lyn have your answer. If you are asking why north. History the origins of most modern cultures are in the northern hemisphere. In past direction was figured by the stars. Those over are poles move little so they where used. From the northern hemisphere to the north it is easier to locate one that moves the least. So from that most directional reference is to the north.

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Re: mentioned north direction only..... why

03/16/2011 7:33 AM

Here is my answer to a related question on another forum. I hope it helps.

North, Geographic, Plant, etc.

The question:

What is the difference between geographic north, plant north and isometric north? What are the criteria to apply to these directions during plot plan development and piping study?

My answer:

You have asked a very good question. There are a number of "North's" and every designer, engineer, project manager and client needs to know and understand what these are and what they means to the project.

So let's look at the list of common North's that are found on process plant projects along with a description of what it is and why it is used.

· True North: Every place on earth has a True North and it is pretty much the same no manner where you are. It is located at 90 degrees north of the equator, it is the North Pole. It does not move.

· Geographic North: Same as True North. The term True North is normally the preferred terminology for this.

· Magnetic North: Magnetic North is not normally used on the average process plant project. The magnetic North Pole is always moving. In 2005 the earth's Magnetic North was located at 82.7 degrees North Latitude and 114.4 degrees West Longitude. This places it far off the north coast of Canada. Because it is always moving it is not reliable as a fixed reference point.

· Plant North: For a project on dry land this is the most important North Arrow used in the process plant engineering, design and construction business. It is rare to find a piece of property that has the major axis of the property aligned with True North. Because of the way all of our ancestors settled the countries and lands of the world then built roads everything is out of alignment with the North Pole. When a project is first started, the property (of some shape) is displayed on a property map that will normally include a North Arrow showing True North. The property may be at any angle (angle of declination) off True North. It is very difficult to do any kind of design if everything is at an odd angle. To simplify the design process a new North is created for the project and this is called the Plant North. It is normal to include the Plant North and the True North on the project Plot Plan along with the angle of declination. Other documents such as structural foundations and piping plans only need the Plant North. as a reference point.

· Platform North: For an offshore drilling platform or processing facility platform this is the most important North Arrow. The Platform North will be assigned for each specific platform and may or may not relate to actual north.

· Isometric North: There is not (or should not be) anything called an "Isometric North." Isometrics must have a North Arrow on them but it is the Plant North, not a different north.

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Re: mentioned north direction only..... why

03/16/2011 10:47 AM

Interesting, but you didn't address the question, you were off topic.

And yet, as of this moment, you have two GA votes.

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03/16/2011 1:13 PM

A good answer doesn't always have to be right.

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03/16/2011 4:51 PM

It should be on topic though, or do you not agree.

It was an interesting post and probably right but it didn't address the OP's question.

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03/16/2011 5:38 PM

After being bestowed numerous GA's for the ability to cut and paste, I've learned to put it in perspective.

Topics is Topics. What actually was the OP's question?

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Re: mentioned north direction only..... why

03/17/2011 9:19 AM

Ga for your reply.

I like to add:

Deviation / year of magnetic North is mentioned on Surveyed Maps [by Surveyer General ] for the relating country. Now Web serch has filled the gap.

So to find exact direction of True North you have to calculate the total deviation till now and to add/ substract from the Compass reading.

I hope the advancments in Electronic & use of GPS may already solved it.

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Re: Mentioned North Direction Only..... Why

03/16/2011 2:41 PM

Because north is 180 degrees your relative when facing south

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03/16/2011 5:00 PM

It is simply a convention. Further, the convention calls for the North arrow to point up the page or to the left of the page. It is to simplify alignment when looking at two or three different plans, say architectural, structural, electrical and plumbing to see if they are in agreement, to see if the pipes actually go down the pipe chase etc. As PennPiper said, North can be Magnetic North or Plant North but if Plant North, it should be so noted.

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Re: Mentioned North Direction Only..... Why

03/17/2011 12:37 AM

PennPiper gave a very precise and accurate assessment of the north arrow.

However, here is another reason for it. Being a civil engineer and land surveyor, I have viewed many site and building plans upside down with the architect, developer, home or business owner on the other side of the drafting or conference table.

It simply gives them, and me at times, the orientation needed to better understand the project at hand.

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Re: Mentioned North Direction Only..... Why

03/17/2011 1:32 AM

The magnetic compass shows north always so it became easy to use as reference.

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03/17/2011 7:12 AM

Answers #1, 2, 3 and 4 were all good: I thought this was good and relevant too, but someone marked you off topic; I've cancelled that and hope that others will add more GAs.

You are correct that if you have a plan with (magnetic) North marked on it, and, you place a compass on top of the plan then rotate the plan until the "norths" line up then the plan is aligned with the landscape.

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Re: Mentioned North Direction Only..... Why

03/17/2011 10:25 AM

Not all north annotations on drawings indicate north direction only, but it is common to only mark the north indicator. Here is a template sheet from this site:

I have seen many other styles. I think, more to answer your question, the North annotation was used to represent the 'Style' of a draftsman, an architect, or perhaps the entire firm. With computer aided drawing common today, some of the true art of drafting and technical illustration have fallen by the side of the road. Sad, this.

In addition the symbol is known, by convention, as 'The North Arrow'. This is also indicated on the site linked to above.

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03/17/2011 12:13 PM

Besides the fact that after with one dirrection labeled all other dirrection are known. There are two norths Magnetic North and True North, the arrow on the drawings is to identify which north we are using.

Magnetic North (compas needle) True North (rotational axis)

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Re: Mentioned North Direction Only..... Why

03/17/2011 12:31 PM

Once we know where North is, it is easy to figure out all the other directions!

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Re: Mentioned North Direction Only..... Why

03/17/2011 1:57 PM

all the other directions.........?

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