Good News For American Engineers and Scientists: More Employment Coming

http://in.finance.yahoo.com/news/US-start-visa-bill-boost-ians-3069398975.html

Please don't take offense Shyam. This may well be a good idea to keep foreign talent on our shores.

I do however, take offense to the fact, that the bill provides nothing in the way of money or support for American born engineers or entrepreneurs wishing to do the same thing. It offends me that they seemingly don't think that US citizens are worth the investment.

As an American, I think the news could be better.

Bill does not provide money to anyone. Hence, there is no discrimination. It only proposes to permit one who are capable entrepreneur immigrant to start an industry and to do favor to American. Obviously, American citizen can always start an industry and without any precondition. After all this must be a thoughtful idea of America's think tank and why they look less intelligent to you? I think it is a good move that sure will give employment to Americans and some good talented people who otherwise may be helping their country will actually help America and American citizens.

In 1998 there was a serious debate in Singapore public vs Government on whether they should permit PR or not. Government convinced public very well and they knew the reason. PR in Singapore requires minimum $8000 per month salary level. Obviously those are paid high are also worth for it. They preferred minimum salary as criteria for PR. America is trying some ideas and they will close this also after two years. It is an experiment they wish to try. America does a lot of experiments and some think tank must have given this thesis and it may not be over night idea of a Senator.

It is sure worth experimenting on economy side to see if something can help, particularly when you run out of ideas and fail on many adverse ventures around the world. Let the great guys help your country and if you have better ideas then you can also do it being a citizen of America as your first right and any time you wish.

I think NSF funding should now be made available to experts from abroad willing to help America. So far it is highly restricted. Getting project funded in America not going to be easy and most of the people will be using their own capital.

You can raise your fear and there may be many who will like to know.

Sorry, you're right. I read through your link too quickly.

Anything that can boost production and manufacturing in the US, and create jobs, is good in my book.

Along with this bill, it would be good also if they made strides to make doing business in the US more attractive. Many companies, US companies included, simply don't want to base their manufacturing operations here, because, not only is it less expensive, but there are far less regulations involved in other countries.

This all sounds a bit pompous to me. You're saying that "all the American projects around the world are failures? And you are recommending to send your engineers over to straighten us out, develop businesses and hire us poor engineers?

If it weren't for us poor Americans donating most of the funds for your foreign aid so you can develop your people from our backs you would still be in the woods. You've done a great job with the learning, no sanitation, biggest rats in the world, garbage all over, still have no idea what toilet paper is, most poverty stricken slums in the world, but you have the bomb and not your own either. A toy from Russia.

Heck, you can't even make the basic products from the technology you "borrowed" from everyone else. Almost all your basic mineral products have been downgraded to unuseable by every importer in the western world, your steel plate peels apart like cheese slices. Should I go on? Even your silk goods fall apart due to overworking the worms. And everything made in India is done one the backs of slave labor, technicians at equal to $1.00/day. Shame on you.

Someone from USA Government is inviting.

Startup Visa Bill Reintroduced: Could Boost U.S. Entrepreneurship

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/vivek-wadhwa/startup-visa-bill-reintro_b_835680.html

I now see a competitor for USA.

UK beckons wealthy Indians with easier visa

http://in.finance.yahoo.com/news/UK-beckons-wealthy-Indians-pti-1924362005.html

Unless there is problem seen in USA, such bill sure will not get passed easily.

Perhaps USA is a more fertile land for ideas and those can't do much in other countries can do much better in USA. It is not really meant that USA is poor. It is an idea to enhance the capability and very positive thinking by USA Government. India Government is not having such a policy itself shows that they have much poor thinking. India has more migrants than perhaps USA has. Entire civilizations moved here to live.

At least you have discovered that Indians are uncivilized. Perhaps there is something to discover here. That is why people like mother Theressa come here. You are welcome if you can do something here and come here on my personal invitation. Of course, bring your own toilet paper.

Be wise in understanding civilizations and national problems. Solution never exists in arbitrary rogue comments. Have positive thinking and take wise decisions.

You can advise USA Government not to give aid and not to ask people to come there. I am not an adviser to any Government.

As this bill is inviting foreigners to setup small industry in USA then they will just do so. They will also make progress and will have million dollar industries so that part is just to happen.

World is becoming more homogeneous. I think it is a good step. You look like having a store house of negative thoughts.

I greatly appreciate your comment and this is what that will matter in long run. It is not about what USA is doing now but having relationship with India and China will always be two ways for currency and technology to flow both ways.

There is no great future in isolation. If people with brain can not come together then who else can do that. I am always very positive thinker and that what I have as my life style and way for living. I understand that people always have different views and it is good to hear them too. It is not about right and wrong but giving a chance for all to say. Finally only those with common ground take up things seriously and show to the world their actual worth.

In fact USA people can take advantage by invited good friends from around the world to set up industry and make them part of it as joint venture. You have a chance to get someone who is special else who will come just like that leaving his/her country.

Your points are well taken.

Thanks Shyam,

I'd like to put both your thread, and the bill into perspective for anyone else that may be reading.

The US has been experiencing a lot of people coming from foreign countries for a top notch education in US universities. Immediately upon graduation, these same people are returning to their home countries and using their knowledge to get jobs, and compete directly against US companies in manufacturing and technology. This bill is an attempt to stem that tide, and keep talented people here in the US........living, working, and starting new businesses.

I could see someone making the argument that the US should stop all foreigners from enrolling in our universities. At face value, this argument would seem to me to fly in the face of what America stands for.

On the other hand, I don't know the numbers, so I would certainly listen to that argument with an open mind. I don't think the citizens of any country would feel completely comfortable with teaching and training people that are going to take that knowledge and use it to compete against them. It would make an interesting debate.

Take care.

kramarat,

Know can see these news for India

No takers? 11,000 H1-B visas to US remain unused

Read more: http://www.zeenews.com/news677748.html#ixzz1GxtK4V78

My son and daughter have completed MS from USA Universities and I am asking them to give up job and start industry in USA and team up with American people. It is for them to decide. I can easily give them start up fund.

I have industry in India after retirement from Government position. My children can easily work in my company and can own it. However, I want them to be a part of the world and work with free mind and no stigma.

India sure is growing rapidly and I am contributing in its development. I have greater plans for India.

Policy of USA can not be called bad as it projects either five times growth in 2 years and lots of tax on that profit or employment to 5 Americans for one VISA. Whatever may be the outcome, policy in itself is pro-American growth.

$100,000 is a good money to start small business in India and have much rapid growth. My industry is growing at the rate of 100% for the last 12 years. My main purpose here is not in growth but in research and support to Government of India. However my children are in USA and they got educated in USA, so they can support USA Government policies or come back home and do something here. They are capable of all that.

I am not in favor of bad comments over people and civilizations. It is not enough to say truth. That is neither engineering nor science to which my mind and soul belongs. It all changed due to education and hard work of four decades and all that matters is the way I think and work. Many of you are of similar mind type and very honest. That is what counts.

Interesting. India has been making some great strides in recent years. I am assuming that the quality of Indian education has been improving as well.

I'm sure these numbers are a factor also:

http://www.usitc.gov/research_and_analysis/tradeshifts/2008/india.htm

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Economics/GDP-Growth.aspx?Symbol=INR

Shyam is being humble, he is helping improve technical education in India

personally he has made me several very generous offers, nothing has worked out as yet but I do appreciate the effort...

I just don't think like tcinc002, but looking at his posts, he may have some legitimate gripes. I just think they are misplaced. That attitude would be like being mad at my neighbor because he got a promotion at work, and my work was still slow. I'm happy to see countries like India improve their collective lot on the planet. Good for them.

I'm not happy about the current economic and employment situation in the US, but acting like a pissed off spoiled brat isn't going to solve a thing. Personally, I think that part of it, is that we need to get over ourselves and come to the realization that we will no longer be making the money we are accustomed to if we are going to remain competitive in the global marketplace and keep jobs here. We can't have it both ways.

If someone needs to lash out, they could start with the CEOs that are making 200-300 million a year. They are the ones shipping the jobs overseas. Certainly can't blame the countries that are taking the work when it's offered.

We also don't want to give up our low Walmart prices on the things we buy. Something's got to give.

Dear Garthh

Nice to hear from you.

You are very talented and courageous person and you did try to setup an industry for that Bio-fuel production. It does not matter if it did not bring in all success stories. It sure have given you knowledge that comes only by doing.

You even thought of changing your business and explore other ways.

Yes, my offers are still there for you and they are also for anyone in USA. I am very open to help within my resources and I can easily do all that.

I was working for Government for 22 years and I never thought I will do business in my life. Then one day I did not like to work with limited funds and restriction and I decided to quit. I started this industry with no experience and no idea of what I will do here and what I will produce or who will purchase and give me money. All I needed was to believe in my knowledge and its worth. It was from zero level and all by me alone.

I am now developing instruments for high tech research, giving training to students and sparing ideas to startups to explore their life in new dimensions. My industry is ever growing at the rate of 100% plus. It was incorporated on June 6, 1998 the day after I left Government job. I injected US$20000 from my retirement money and now I have technology worth billions of dollars. It is a cow that will give milk all the time. I inject back all return into this industry so growth is maintained all the time.

Knowledge is very precious thing in current world. It puts you ahead of the rest. Use this knowledge from wherever you can acquire or hire or borrow. What other tool one can use.

Those who are capable will make their life better by themselves and only those who require that fine support are to be given a friendly hand to come up. There is good feeling involved in all that.

People need to have some courage to do something or other and it does not matter if there is great success or not. However one should make sure that family remains financially safe and bread on the table does not get affected. Limited risk is wise thing to do.

Those work for me were trained by me and their life have changed drastically. All of then are technically sound and productive and part of the industry and not my personal employees. I believe that industry belongs to all those give their precious time for it and make successes. We work as one team.

I can do it successfully anywhere on the earth. Not even 1% knowledge can be used in my life time.

I agree with Kramarat such comments have no place here!

your steel plate peels apart like cheese slices

Trust me , its not just India steel. There is a major problem with centerline segregration which has only been solved by one company.

Ron

Do not pick up cheap material from market. Ask for quality production, evaluate samples and pay the right price. Nuclear plants in India use large amount of high quality steel made in India and you know that these are monitored for quality for entire life time of the nuclear reactor running at high temperatures and in highly corrosive media.

Yes, India produces all types of material from very bad to excellent one.

Do not pick up cheap material from market. Ask for quality production, evaluate samples and pay the right price

pay the right price

That is the problem, and its an Indian company in America who is trying to make a silk purse from a sows ear.

Ron

"silk purse from a sows ear" ! Nice idea. I think knowledge can do just that. You have lot of it in USA and underutilized.