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Burning Alternator

03/21/2011 11:49 AM

I have 3 500KVA synchronization set-up. im using a deepsea electronic controller 8610. the alternator is stamford brand but im doubt that is an original brand. my problem now is that the alternator burns even it is running in a single mode only. i cannot conclude that this is due to reverse power since it is running alone due to a low load. one thing i observe is that the Line to line voltage is not stable and not balance. one line is reaching to almost 395volts 5 volts difference from normal 400V. we also fitted a quadrature kit in the alternator. the part of the alternator that always burns is the main rotor, exciter rotor and exciter stator.

i am hoping that you can give me some ideas how to approach this issues and thank you in advance.

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Re: Burning Alternator

03/21/2011 12:09 PM

By "burns" do you mean it overheats? Or does it actually burst into flame?

If it is overheating, have you taken actual temperature measurements--electric equipment can feel very hot to the touch without actually being over its rated temperature...

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Re: Burning Alternator

03/21/2011 12:29 PM

yes it is overheating. i never take the temperature but you cannot touch it. the exciter stator is shorted when i megger it and other alternator exciter rotor is splitted and disconnected from the rectifiers.

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Re: Burning Alternator

03/21/2011 2:19 PM

You need to measure the temperature.

When you say the stator is shorted when measuring with a megger, do you mean it is shorted to ground? A megger is not a suitable instrument to measure the resistance of the stator coils--they will have a very low resistance in the range of ohms, possibly less than an ohm.

A megger measures millions of ohms.

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Re: Burning Alternator

03/21/2011 2:57 PM

Maybe the "low load" it is left to cope with is still too big for it?

I have seen, also - on a transformer - how disbalance of voltages of just 3 % across the 3 phases led to disbalance of currents across them of 40 %! (load was induction motors)

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Re: Burning Alternator

03/22/2011 8:23 AM

What is a Quadrature KIT??

Your problem started after fitting this kit?

Strange to me.

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Re: Burning Alternator

03/24/2011 12:22 AM

Before alternator burn, is there any fault code on deepsea or controller ? mention what are protection you have installed in panel ?

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Re: Burning Alternator

03/25/2011 1:25 AM

there is no indication before it was burn. it will only indicate undervoltage after. this is the only protection that i put which comes from the controller. what do you suggest other than this? that will protect the rotor from overheating.

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03/25/2011 9:03 AM

I'm still trying to understand if there is really a problem.

Was the winding insulation damaged / destroyed by heat?

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Re: Burning Alternator

03/25/2011 2:17 PM

I'm still trying to understand if there is really a problem.

Was the winding insulation damaged / destroyed by heat?

what im trying to sort out is that the reason why the rotor is overheating and how can i eliminate it. because aside from the main rotor, the exciter stator is shorted.

i dont think its the reverse power that causes this problem because the generator is running stand alone. the generators were stock for almost a year before set-up.

another solution that im thinking is the static mode do you think it will be effective?

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Re: Burning Alternator

05/17/2011 3:34 AM

what do you mean by "single mode"? Does it mean single phase loading? One of the possible reason of generator failure could be unbalanced load. This causes rotor heating and may result in burning of rotor winding. You may like to check the unbalance load carrying capacity of the generator (see manufacturers documents).

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Re: Burning Alternator

05/17/2011 11:22 AM

Re: what do you mean by "single mode"? Does it mean single phase loading?

I'm not the OP, but reading the OP, my understanding is that he has 3 500kva generators, and single mode, for him is running only one of those generators due to low load.

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