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Orifice Plate Sizing Criteria

03/31/2011 1:14 AM

In a new desuperheater line for a feed water heater, there is drain line which we are desigining. The drain line is just before a pressure reducing valve.The drain line of size ND40 and drains to a cycle flash tank. The design pressure and temp of the desup. line is 76BarG and 560C. The desuperheated steam is used for feed heating only when the bleed of steam from the turbine is not available (i.e during turbine repairs, turbine start up etc)

So my concerns are regarding the sizing criteria for a restricted orifice in the drain line (ND40) which drains to cycle flash tank(design pressure 8BarG @ 340 C). The design flow rate in the desuperheater line is around 16.5kg/s. The drain line is also equipped with a motorised drain valve.

Since i am fairly new to Power plant area could any one please answer my questions

  • How often will normally they open the drain valve?
  • What should be the criteria for restricted orifice plate sizing (diameter and thickness)
  • What design flow rates should be used?
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Re: Orifice Plate Sizing Criteria

03/31/2011 8:30 AM

You will have a lesser probability to find experts/experienced on your field here if you are looking for such. But, the fact is your problem can be solve not by experts alone. Most people here are good thinkers... with thoughts basing from sound engineering, I should say.

Orifice is just an orifice by the way, it measures the flow rate by means of ratio of two standard size cross sections & conditions(properties, like P & T) at that point.

BUT, in order to have their good thoughts burnin like fire, you have to provide a concrete/detailed problem description, show some process diagrams, figures, pictures that will help them absorbed the totality of your problem so that they can help you, with their outstanding solutions, I should say

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Re: Orifice Plate Sizing Criteria

04/01/2011 7:10 AM

A cheque would help too. Stinky Pete only deals in cash, reputedly.

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03/31/2011 3:18 PM

Read something about pure substance p-v curve. I bet, you could settle your problem solving for qualtiy x-(% @8barg &340 deg C), then given the mass flow rate, you could estimate how much steam was converted to liquid phase and what remain as dry, then you could decide the frequency of your draining.

If orifice is equipped with differential pressure transmitter, consider the maximum pressure tolerable for the DP transmitter transducers, you should not be installing orifice, that will destroy it. Differential pressure for that orifice should be tolerable to DP transmitter.

Design flow rates are given 16.5 kg/s just look at steam tables at (pressure, temp) for specific volume, you can derive the flow rate then.

What else?

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04/01/2011 3:14 AM

Hi Noudge79, Unfortunately i am out of my office, otherwise i would have posted the PID. The design flow rate given are for the process, not for the drain conditions. The drain will be open when upstream stop valve for the main line is closed. I think there no point in explaining without a diagram. I will post a diagram when will get back to office. Thanks

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04/01/2011 8:31 AM

See if you can get your hands on a copy of "Design of Fluid Systems: Hook-Ups" by Spirax Sarco. "Design of Fluid Systems: Steam Utilization" will be helpful to you as well.

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04/03/2011 12:35 AM

Thanks for all

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