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Electrolysis Corrosion (NOT FOR HHO!)

04/13/2011 7:41 PM

Hey guys/gals,

I did some fun testing, and decided you might enjoy the results. I posted some of this on another thread, but figured for the sake of discussion, I'd go ahead and put it here in a bit more detail.

I encountered some extreme corrosion a while back, and through much deductive reasoning, concluded that the damage was caused by electrolysis. I decided to replicate the corrosion with an accelerated time scale.

  • I took a 1 gallon mason jar, filled it 3/4 of the way up with plain old tap water, and added approx 1 tablespoon of table salt. (I was aiming for extreme results
  • I set up my power supply to run at 24VDC at a maximum of 2.75 Amps.
  • I chose the same parts we were having issues with in the field, which were hydraulic pump parts.
  • I suspended the parts so a small portion of the part was sticking out of the water. I did this by simply hanging the part from an aligator clip wire attached to the mouth of the jar with a vice grip making sure that the clip did not touch the water.
  • I hooked the clips to the power supply + and -. For the first test I used a steel flat bar hooked to the negative side, and a brass wear plate to the positive side and let them sit with voltage applied for 6 hours, checking once an hour.
  • The brass wear plate was initially 0.101" thick, with a polished finish.

Through the wonder of electrolysis, 6 hours later when I pulled the wear plate from the salt water this is what it looked like:

The final thickness was only 0.061, 6 hours later.

As you can see I was able to completely devistate this part in less than a single working shift.


During this test, the steel bar that was used as the negative electrode suffered no damage to speak of.


What I did find interesting was this piece:

The picture above shows a part that was simply dropped to the bottom of the mason jar with no direct electrical connection to the two parts which had direct power applied. This ambient part also suffered elevated corrosion simply by sharing the fluid with the two parts which were being "electrified". In theory, this part had no electrical current flowing through it.

The second test: I wanted to see just how much damage I could do in one hour using the exact same process. The picture below was another identical hydraulic piston:

This test was done using two identical new pistons as the anode and cathode. You can easily see where the waterline was during the test.

This corrosion was obtained in 1 hour, yes 1 hour.

The piston above was connected to the positive lead. Although the negative lead did corrode substantially, it was to a much lesser degree than the one pictured above.


This type of corrosion can occur any time you have a (even slightly, such as tap water) conductive fluid, and a DC voltage source.

I have seen this type of damage wipe out complete systems worth millions of dollars. The problem is, it's hard to pinpoint the source of the voltage leak, and sometimes even harder to diagnose in the first place. All it takes is one leaking solenoid on a machine leaking 0.7VDC or more to wipe out the entire system.


Just something to keep in the back of your mind in case you run across it in the field at some point. Many people that I have talked to about this problem had no idea that it even existed, and had been simply replacing parts on a regular basis with no idea why the parts would need replaced so frequently.


Electrolysis is a silent killer in some situations.


Be aware, and you might just save your company millions of dollars worth of replacement parts.

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04/13/2011 10:34 PM

Very interesting. Thank you.

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04/13/2011 10:58 PM

Nice tests!

I've been playing with brass and corrosion recently - strictly surface of course, not to the point of destruction! If I ever try electricity and salt, I'll have to make it really quick.

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04/14/2011 11:26 AM

Something that would be fun for an art piece would be using electrolysis to electroplate something. I know the steel rod I used as a negative electrode in the first test had a nice even coating of brass/copper on it, looks pretty cool (but can't seem to capture it with this cheap camera). It's really easy to do your own plating. (the gases that are released from the water can be quite hazardous (chlorine gas) and the toxic soup that is leftover is fairly caustic (hydrochloric acid). You would not want to use salt for that... perhaps another electrolyte.

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04/14/2011 12:06 PM

I've read about the electroplating process but I've never done it. I do like to avoid toxic gases and wastes though, so thanks for the heads up. Maybe an outdoor project...

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04/14/2011 10:45 PM

"caustic (hydrochloric acid)" novel chemistry

"More simply, the French sculptor Auguste Rodin used to instruct assistants at his studio to urinate over bronzes stored in the outside yard"

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04/15/2011 12:06 PM

hmmm... good catch. I should have just said corrosive, or irritating to the skin/eyes/lungs, or something of that sort... I'm actually not sure what the final PH would have been.

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04/15/2011 2:50 PM

Also a classic part of old recipes for natural dyes, involving massive cauldrons, open fires, bolts of cloth and at least six knowledgeable and burly hags with prior experience and full bladders.

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04/15/2011 7:55 PM

and not to be confused with making potions

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04/15/2011 6:12 AM

Considering that a part of chlorine left the solution, what is left has a imbalance of Na, which combined with water, gives you caustic soda solution (pH high). The piece left on the bottom, theoretically has current through it although, due to its small electric resistance, is surface considered at the same potential. And there is industrial process called electro-erosion, very effective where you have to make holes, complicates shapes, etc.with high precision in very hard, materials, it does not change the materials micro structure and live them smooth. Think about the holes for injectors of Diesel engines, metal coin stamp

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04/15/2011 7:32 AM

"caustic soda solution (pH high)" < annoying you have to say that every time, ay?

pH 'numbers' are a little tricky (read; pain)

pH is defined as a negative decimal logarithm of the hydrogen ion activity in a solution.

Low pH corresponds to high hydrogen ion concentration and vice versa. A substance that when added to water increases the concentration of hydrogen ions (lowers the pH) is called an acid. A substance that reduces the concentration of hydrogen ions(raises the pH) is called a base

Traditionally the table is illustrative of "above and below" distilled water.

You may note; the 'math base' is "centered at unity" but the numbers go acid down, growing bigger.

Full alkaline at the base of the chart (with the 'highest number' (pH 14)), is also chemically termed "base"

Or visually, numerically and intuitively - it's a total shambles.

Jus' venting

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04/15/2011 4:22 PM

Sorry, I know that pH can be high, low and neutral.

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04/15/2011 7:20 PM

That was not about you. No criticism intended. You did it as folk in the field "have to" do.

So I thought; 'Why not put it up how it works as a reference for readers in general'.

These might be useful to readers as well:

Reactivity Series and the Galvanic Series

Also 'not to be confused' but both play their part in the topic and discussions to date.

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04/15/2011 10:50 PM

That is one the the more coherent explanations of PH I've seen

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04/14/2011 10:53 PM

Nice experiment. Try FeCl3 and see if you can etch out copper faster using electrical current thru solution and quick accelerated ion exchange. This is good for PCB industry. You may win some good contract to develop such machines.

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04/15/2011 11:03 AM

Quite interesting. It seems that every month or so some new ultrasonic device (or similar) is coming on the market to to detect the type of voltage leakage you mentioned. These handheld devices are cool in trained hands that actually employ their capabilities. But...I think there might be a commercial angle to this. With millions of dollars of equipment at stake there has to be a few ways to detect elevated levels of the byproducts of electrolysis. You may have stumbled onto an untapped market! I'd continue your testing with a focus on early detection and notification.

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