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Blinkies

04/16/2011 8:28 PM

Hi all,

Why do CCTV cameras with IR capability have an occasional tendency to "blink" a lot when the IR led's go on? They are fine during the day but indoor or outdoor, when the IR's kick in....

This does not happen with all cameras but when it does, "curing" it seems impossible. Any ideas?

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Re: Blinkies

04/18/2011 12:30 AM

I suspect this might be feedback due to the IR lights desensing the camera when they come on. The bright flare when they come on causes the electronic iris to tighten, reducing the brightness, variances in the time constant can cause this iris to fluctuate?

I know a camera guy, I will ask him and see if my speculation is correct.

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Re: Blinkies

04/18/2011 12:45 AM

i put tape over obnoxious blinking but a fuse change could be one solution.ds

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Re: Blinkies

04/18/2011 1:25 AM

I usally blink when going from a dark area to a bright area

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Re: Blinkies

04/18/2011 3:03 AM

Hi TonCab, Make sure the cameras can't "see" the IR light source (s) directly. Also, some reflective surfaces - wind-blown vegetation for example - may be reflecting more IR than the dynamic range of the camera can handle - look for flaring on the display, and change the direction / pisition of the light source accordingly. Good luck!

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Re: Blinkies

04/18/2011 4:43 AM

My guess is that the power supply or Battery is a high (relatively) impedance source and the current jump of the IR switching on causes a voltage drop that gives you that problem of blinking.

Looking at the DC on a 'scope would also help to understand the problem better.

A further quick way to check this out would be to place a 10 MFd Electrolytic Capacitor as close to the camera as possible across the DC in.

If the problem happens under battery power a cap would help, but it is probably far too complicated to install.....

If its a mains power supply, it has maybe a very slow correction for extra current (it may not be a SMPS......then a cap might improve things. It would at least tell you if you are heading in the right direction....

Assuming the cap helped, I would get a new power supply with a much higher current capability, but of the correct voltage, also make the DC lead short and heavy duty.......

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Re: Blinkies

04/18/2011 7:42 AM

Thanks Guys,

I can't go back to the thread so I will try to comment about all suggestions from memory.

I tried the tape trick over the cover glass and that didn't work leading me to wonder if I should open the cover and apply tape directly on the damn IR sensor and just leave the IR bugger "always on"?

I also suspected the auto iris and IR are competing maybe because the lux rating is 1.0 so both IR and AI switching on and off???

1 set up is inside an office with flourescent lights and the other is on a roof top. There are lights about but never thought they would cause this given they're some distance away and not directly "into" the cam, however bouncing or refracted light has not been throughly investigated.

Repositioning the cam has helped but by the time I get the ideal feed, I'm too damn far from what I want to cover.... UGH!

I'm also using a common power supply and the other IR cams on the grid are fine. Even isolating did not solve the problem so it can't be the power.

Looks like I've tried every suggestion except the scientific (Cap) one but I'm afraid space limitations will not allow it even if it does work.

Anything else you can offer is welcome. Getting pretty desperate here and very close to voiding the warranty by doing open heart surgery just to stick a few cents of black tape over the sensor.

Cheers all, Happy Easter

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Re: Blinkies

04/18/2011 9:24 AM

You wrote:-

I'm also using a common power supply and the other IR cams on the grid are fine. Even isolating did not solve the problem so it can't be the power.

Don't take this at face value, it could even be still the pointer to a connection somewhere with 0.5 Ohms of resistance or more.....just on that one camera!!

In fact, assuming that you have swapped everything possible with a camera that works, wiring and connectors is all you have left!!!

Does this camera have longer leads, even 10% can make a difference.

Does this camera have thinner leads?

You should try the cap as a temporary method to see if it helps, the results will help us to help you further.

I do feel that you have isolated the problem pretty much and now comes the "fine" detective work!!

Best of luck. Keep us informed please.

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Re: Blinkies

04/19/2011 3:31 PM

Guys,

Not sure that this is completely relevant but some 40+ years ago i was trying to run a test on an oscillator. Longish term. Set up was through an HP counter, an HP D- A converter output onto an HP Chart Recorder. Everything worked fine during the day but around 10 or 10:30 (pm) at night the chart recorder went crazy.. Till morning.

Not my oscillator"!!

After many checks it turned out that the HP counter was light sensitive so at 10:30 at night the outside lights went off and the Counter went VERY wobbly.

The solution was to shine a light at the instrument and check again.

A very good and stable oscillator was the verdict!!

Instrumentation!!

Not sure whether there is any feedback to your situation but this was completely Left Field! HP would not believe me until they saw the charts!

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Re: Blinkies

04/19/2011 4:22 PM

Who would have thought a light sensitive counter?

How on earth did you suss out that one?

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04/20/2011 4:58 AM

Slowly and carefully. Noted that the "fault" occured at the same time evry night. Ahah.

Checked for what happened around the site at 10:30.

Figured that it had to be a light issue.(or a coincedental mains issue)

Told the Boss and Security that I would be staying at the plant that night, probably COMPLETELY ILLEGAL!

Watched until around the Magic Hour the counter output went crazy.

Found a Desk lamp shone it on my oscillator!! no change, tried every piece of test equipment - including the Power supply - also checked the Mains on a scope ( floating - my skin!) - shone the light on everything until the problem ceased when the light was shining straight through the row of digits on the counter- BINGO!!

So everything setttled down, I settled down for the night and the system as clear all night.

So I then had to get permision to run the setup that way for the next few months and the result - a very stable oscillator!

I cannot even remember the frequency at this remove. Neither can I remember how HP sorted their counter.

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Re: Blinkies

05/06/2011 11:00 PM

Hi all,

Problem solved. Camera with .5 Lux overly sensitive to light. Switched to a 1.0 lux rated camera and presto, no more "blinkies".

The sensitivity of the auto iris, IR sensor and related "auto" functions were competing with each other.

Thanks all and for those awaiting the results... hope you get this.

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