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Novel Self-adjusting Bonnet Temperatue Control

04/25/2011 12:24 AM

A furnace from about 1965 had a tube going through the bonnet which expanded when hot, extending further out a hole to the outside. Its increasing length would actuate a control and its cooling would draw it back. The self-adjusting part is because the protruding tube had a "washer" over it which was cocked at an angle with some sort of spring so it would bind on the tube. Pushing the "washer" at the rim in one direction tended to lock it, and that is the the area which actuated the control switch. When the whole setup cooled off, the tube would draw the "washer" back so the other side of the rim would hit the wall where the tube came out, relieving the bite of the "washer" on the tube and resetting the position of the "washer" to "cold". The idea apparently was that the tube might not stay the same length, being heated and cooled frequently, and the automatic reset at room temperature would assure that the actuation distance would always be proportional to the temperature increase since the "cold" reset.

Has anyone a real world example of this in use, maybe several? I would like to employ this in a mechanical control and would like to borrow from the best.

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Re: Novel Self-adjusting Bonnet Temperature Control

04/25/2011 1:44 AM

Differential expansion is a common methodology in 'probe' style micro switch and thermostats.

Maybe start searching those.

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Re: Novel Self-adjusting Bonnet Temperature Control

04/25/2011 10:17 AM

What part of your response is OT? Ridiculous voting. I fixed it.

What part of bimetal differential expansion is novel?

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04/25/2011 11:28 AM

Thanks for that - doubt it was the OP

As for part 2 - no idea.

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04/26/2011 10:56 AM

I think the novelty is in the idea that the overall tube length would change over time (hundreds/thousands of cycles) but the coefficient of expansion would remain the same. Or, perhaps, this system is set to control a specific temperature differential rather than a specific temperature (in this instance the solution IS novel and even clever). So, rather than have the tip of the tube be the contactor, the tube essentially has a free end and the washer is the contactor. The reset height remains the same and the travel due to expansion remain the same, regardless of any change over time of the overall tube length.

I am always a fan of low-tech solutions that work well. However, I am not a fan of using a spring in an apparatus subject to heat cycling. I am sure there is an even simpler solution available. Pictures would help.

What was the old quote? Something about how a design is not complete when you can no longer add to it, but when you can no longer take any more away. . .

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04/26/2011 11:09 AM

I haven't any idea why zeroing at the coldest it gets is a good idea except what you say about giving a differential from coldest. Perhaps it wants to signal when the bonnet rises 20F or something to show it is no longer in idle mode and turn on the blower.

But the QUESTION is "has anyone seen an example?"

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04/26/2011 11:37 AM

Thanks Karl. And to answer your question: No, I have not. Sorry.

I will hang around to see if anyone posts pictures. If for no other reason than to see how far off my guess was.

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04/26/2011 11:54 PM

Do you mean a picture of the 'cranking washer' application?

Most of these have a version.

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05/06/2011 9:57 PM

Yes, cranking washer seems to be a good term, though it is the first I have heard it. So, who used this on a temperature control?

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05/06/2011 11:13 PM

Your example is the first I've heard of that requires constant zeroing.

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04/25/2011 8:32 PM

that diet your on seems to be really working out for you.

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Re: Novel Self-adjusting Bonnet Temperatue Control

07/22/2011 2:18 AM

i remember the same type of control on my grandfather's coal furnance. a temerature sensor entended into the "bonnet" that actuated a 12 v motor. the motor had an adjustable setting. after a certain temerature, the motor that would open or close the draft door by a chain. . it also had boiler tubes that spiralled around the fire box and ran to a storage tank. it produced scalding hot water during the winter months.

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