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Condenser in Steam Power Plant

05/03/2011 7:55 AM

In the thermal power plant, why do we use the condenser when we have to heat the condensed water for steam production?

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05/03/2011 7:59 AM

Just search turbine on Google!

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05/03/2011 8:15 AM

Cooling the condensate puts a partial vacuum on the exhaust port of the low-pressure turbine, making it work harder for the same energy input. It is thermodynamically more efficient than not doing so. The colder the condensate, the better.

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05/03/2011 8:21 AM

How do you condense the condensate?

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05/03/2011 8:25 AM

Cool it below its dewpoint.

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05/04/2011 5:05 AM

What exactly is the dewpoint of water (steam condensate)? The dewpoint of a gas I understand but of water, that I do not understand.

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05/03/2011 10:36 AM

Welcome to the wonderful world of Steam Power! Steam is a marvelous subject, usable for energy devices large and small. As you learn steam power, you will find that some devices get as much energy from the condenser as from the boiler!

Also, processed water for steam use should be reused, not thrown away. In the steam process there are 'non condensible gasses' which can be eliminated in a closed system incorporating a condenser.

The water from the condenser may also be warmer than make-up water, so it will take less energy to get it up to boiling again.

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05/03/2011 5:42 PM

It's a closed system. The water is very near pure distilled water, if not it would eat up the turbine blades.

Since most places don't have a source of pure distilled water to feed the boilers, recycling the spent steam back into water to feed the boilers is the only thing that makes sense.

It works great...................a continuous loop.

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05/03/2011 9:28 PM

Dear Madh, Water cost money.......... heated and treated water cost a lot of money ....is that what your are asking? Additionally note.... boiler blowdowns take two forms; surface blow and bottom blow.

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05/04/2011 5:10 AM

klearzen, what are the advantages of the different types of blowdown? Are they provided for two different purposes? My reason for asking is that we have two generators, one with a bottom blowdown and one with a surface blowdown (It seems that the bottom blowdown operates better)

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05/04/2011 10:24 AM

Surface blowdowns are good for removal of things that float (oil).

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05/07/2011 9:47 AM

Dear Guest, Blowdown regimens are best determined by boiler water analysis and treatment method. The ABMA recommendations are located on the site(link)below. Are you following your water treatment recommendations from you chemical supplier? Are you satisfied with their service? " proof is in the pudding ".they say ...... What do the internals look like during your yearly inspection?
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/feedwater-chemistry-limits-d_1064.html

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05/03/2011 11:00 PM

unless your able to get all the mineral out of water before heating it then you would be introducing fresh water with lots of minerals in it to the system and decrease the run time before repairs are needed. Buildup of scale would block the pipes faster.

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05/04/2011 1:16 AM

A steam condenser is meant to receive the exhaust steam from the turbine or engine ,condense it and maintain a pressure at the exhaust lower than the atmosphere. During condensation latent heat is given up and stem is converted as water and pumped back through pump to the boiler for reuse.

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05/04/2011 1:59 AM

The function of Condenser is to condense the steam thats flowing from the exhaust of turbine and is found in all power utilities.

Now coming to your question of why do we have to condense the steam when it has to be reheated again.

Work is extracted from steam on its expansion from the initial steam parameters of pressure and temperature to the final steam parameters. You may need the Rankine cycle to understand this. As the steam parameters are changed, you may see it on the Rankine cycle chart, the specific volume increases. Now specific volume is inverse of density which means density decreases as steam expands.

You may now calculate the work required to pump the steam back to steam generator for achieving the same turbine inlet steam parameters without condensing. The results will show you why condensing is required.

You may also brush up the fundamental laws of Thermodynamics.

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05/04/2011 9:34 AM

At the last stage of the turbine, the steam must be kept in a superheated status to prevent condensation from happening within the turbine in those last stages: the water droplets will damage the blades. therefore, without a condenser, we will need to stop using the steam at a higher temperature, which makes us loose some of the energy (Rankine cycle...). Therefore, the condenser is a heat exchange vessel that is cooled and thereofre, foces the steam to condense at the end of the turnine. This will create a lower pressure than the normal pressure normally available there. this puts the cycle point where the steam will be at a superheated status and clear from any droplets of water until it comes into the condenser.

Therefore, the condenser's job is mainly to prevent water droplets forming in the turbine and damaging the blades, and in this action, also allows the energy extraction to be higher (look at the Rankine cycle or Moliers Steam/water chart to see the increse in pressure/heat drop achieved).

The condensed water is recycled back to the Boiler: Heating this water by using some of the exhaust heat from the burners will increase the efficiency (Thermal) of the boiler and the whole system.

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05/04/2011 2:36 PM

Summing up what others have said here, there are two reasons for having a turbine exhaust steam condenser: (1) recycling the boiler water, and (2) increasing the work done by the turbine, so you get more power from the fuel and a higher plant efficiency.

Water going into a boiler needs to be demineralized in a pretreatment process to get out the scale-forming calcium carbonate that is dissolved in the water and which if untreated would form a limestone crust on the heat exchange elements. The amount of new water (makeup water) going into the Rankine cycle should be minimized to save on the demineralization cost, and recycling the turbine exhaust steam back through the boiler by means of a condenser is the smart way to go.

The reason you can't just recycle the exhaust steam directly into the boiler, thus conserving its heat, is that the steam is both pushed by the high pressure in the boiler and also pulled by the low pressure in the condenser. There has to be a low pressure sink somewhere so the steam going through the turbine is not pushing against high pressure (e.g. by going back directly into the boiler). The boiler push and the condenser pull drive mass flow through the turbine, and the mass flow of vapor over the turbine blades drives a generator.

In doing work, the superheated steam from the boiler loses enthalpy (energy content) and becomes "wet steam" -- saturated vapor having a small percentage of condensate.

Low pressure is maintained in the condenser by a steam ejector, which also removes the noncondensible gases that uselessly take up room in the condenser. Condensing the saturated vapor of turbine exhaust steam requires that its enthalpy be reduced, which means that the energy load in the steam has to be discharged somehow. This is conventionally done by heat rejection in a cooling water circuit that runs through tubes in a condenser shell that accepts the exhaust steam and is maintained at low pressure. Heat exchange takes place through the tubes into the cooling water being pumped through the tubes. The cooling water and its new load of heat is either discharged into the environment (once-through cooling) or the water is recycled and the heat rejected into the atmosphere by evaporative cooling in a cooling tower. Once-through cooling is now being held up by environmental concerns over thermal pollution and fish kills. The waste of fresh water in vapor out of cooling towers is also getting new scrutiny as the world confronts a serious fresh water shortage. Also, cooling towers are sources of Legionnaire's disease.

Next to agriculture, thermal power plants (coal and nuclear) using the Rankine cycle consume more fresh water than any other activity, including golf courses and home consumption. Improved means for condensing turbine exhaust steam might even include waste heat power harvesting, as there is still a lot of energy in turbine exhaust steam. The presence of condensate means that conventional turbines can't be used, because the bullet-like condensate would erode the delicate blades. Any ideas?

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05/04/2011 5:03 PM

Is there enough heat in turbine exhaust steam to drive stirling engines? (I'm guessing there would be.)

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