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BLDC Motor speed Control

05/13/2011 3:42 AM

Hi,

We were trying to control the speed of a BLDC motor using (additional) sensorless back emf monitoring. We were trying to control the motor with full sinewave signal control. We found that though the motor responds good in open loop, once the closed loop system is brought in and the control is done by either change of Amplitude or by realigning of the input frequency with the rotor position we lost control.

We then tried implementing the sensor (using Hall Sensors) based Speed control. But still the motor is not responding. That brings us to a conclusion that either we have understood wrong or that the motor may be faulty (We think the former maybe the case).

We would really appreciate if you could just guide us towards the understanding the nuances of BLDC Motor speed control.

What we think is: The rotor may lag (most often) or lead (maybe) the rotating electrical field of the stator, this leads to speed variation of the rotor. To compensate this (instead of boosting the motor frequency directly) at each hall data crossing or at comp,etion of one rotation, the wave pointers of the sinewave generation table are realligned to the current rotor position to aid the rotor in catching up with the stator frequency.

If this is right the I guess the motor is faulty, else please guide

regards,

Vishal...

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Re: BLDC Motor speed Control

05/13/2011 4:55 AM

Turn down the gain and turn up the integral action in the controller.

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Re: BLDC Motor speed Control

01/31/2012 8:31 AM

We were just realigning the rotor with the stator at the pole positions by providing an electrical lead of 1 - 15 degrees on the stator with reference to the position during this phase.

Had not exactly defined a PI or PID controller as we were utilizing an 8-bit micro-controller to get thte job done..

We now have a control akin to a PID but not exactly a PID, running on the 8-bit for performing the drive control. The results have been good.

Thanks for your input.

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Re: BLDC Motor speed Control

05/13/2011 9:55 AM

What does BLDC mean? (I assume DC is DC (i.e., Direct Current) ;-)

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05/13/2011 10:11 AM

Brushless, direct current?

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05/13/2011 11:28 AM

Thanks--sounds like a good guess!

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05/14/2011 6:17 AM

Did you mean that as unfriendly as it actually comes across?

His answer was fully correct and not in any way unfriendly......

You can get a good overview here if required:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brushless_DC_electric_motor

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05/14/2011 6:28 AM

Re: Did you mean that as unfriendly as it actually comes across?

No, not at all, and I'm surprised it comes across as unfriendly. He used a question mark when he responded:

Brushless, direct current?

Which made me interpret it as a guess--he wasn't sure of his answer. It sounded good to me, and I was trying to be friendly, supportive, etc. while recognizing it as probably a guess.

Sorry!

How would you interpret the question mark?

BTW, thanks to you for confirming (what I still assume was) his guess!

And thanks for calling attention to my apparent unfriendliness, which I did not intend. On the other hand, I still think it was a perfectly reasonable response to what appeared to be a guess (based on the question mark).

For now, not marking this OT, although somebody should do so after it is read by Andy.

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05/14/2011 7:18 AM

Understood, not meant as "unfriendly" by ANY of us here. Good!!

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01/31/2012 6:53 AM

I guess, the flaw was partially in our code. We had somehow managed to jumble the feedback step sequence. Once we rectified that, it still took us about 3-5 months to completely fail-proof the code and the drive design, with both h/w and firmware changes. We are now able to control pretty much any BLDC with back-emf sensing, not to mention the sensored types.

The admin may choose to delete this thread, as I guess this thread does not talk for much, except for the expansion of BLDC. My bad i guess, since I know of BrushLessDC motors, kind of take it for granted that everyone knows and understands the term BLDC.

Thanks to all.. Have a wonderful time...

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