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CB Sizing

06/06/2011 9:36 AM

Hi All,

Is the Circuit Breaker sizing will be base from the supply rating of the transformer output rating and or genset output rating?

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Re: CB Sizing

06/06/2011 10:00 AM

Under British Standard 7671 it is based upon the rating of the downstream cables.

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06/06/2011 11:57 AM

You can undersize the breaker if you want. Just make sure the cable is adequate.

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06/06/2011 11:11 PM

circuit breaker sizing is strictly based on the fault current interruption requirements.

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06/07/2011 2:13 AM

What do you mean by sizing,is it only Amp rating?.If fed by transformer or genset you should consider fault level(kA) at the breaker terminals too in addition to load current and cable size.If load is small compared to genset capacity better have a MCCB with adjustable OL.

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06/07/2011 2:25 AM

by sizing I meant Ampere rating.

Mainly making current rating [highest fault current that the breaker should withstand]

and breaking current [highest current that the breaker should be able to break]

These definitions are used in IEC 60909.

For breakers, close to generator and motors, both are different. The making current is higher than the breaking current, and decrements to steady state fault value depending on X/R ratio and changes in source impedances [generators, motors].

For some system conditions, these are relatively constant and same[no significant change in source impedance]. Consequently difference between making and breaking current is restricted to dc offset component only.

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06/07/2011 10:42 AM

A few corrections, if I can Doctor!

i) Making current is NOT the highest fault current that the breaker should WITHSTAND; it is the highest current that the breaker can safely MAKE. By the by, the highest current that a breaker can withstand is called its SHORT TIME CURRENT.

ii) "The difference between making and breaking current is restricted to DC Offset component only" - Nope! Do you mean to say that if a system has no reactances, then the making and breaking currents will be same? Please note that even within the AC component, breaking current is RMS and making current is PEAK.

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06/07/2011 11:41 AM

I guess some terminlogy problem is there.

one is related to continuous rating with respect to time [withstand time] and other is momentary rating at the instant of fault, which consists of both dc offset and RMS component with sub-transient reactances.

The second point is valid under conditions, where there exists no-subtransient reactances , as in small networks without sources but connected to grid, whose fault level is relatively fixed, without any change in source impedance. In this case RMS component remains constant througout without any change [as there is no change in source impedance] and only dc component exists at the begining [ and decays as function of X/R]. Obviously in this case the difference between the making and breaking is only the DC component. This is one of the condition described in IEC 60909. Hope this clarifies.

Another clarification is, breaking current can have DC component, which takes time to decay, based on X/R ratio of the source impedance. Thus if a breaker, opens at 5 cycles and DC component has not yet reached the '0' value, the breaker will be breaking a short circuit current having both RMS and dc component.

The total current at any given instant is given by the following two components

- DC component which decays with time as function of X/R ratio.

- RMS current that varies as function of time due to chaninging source impedance. [Subtransient to transient and transient to steady state reactances]

Hope the explanations are now more clear. Thanks for the discussions.

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