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Wireless World

06/14/2011 11:01 AM

All of us have grown up with wires surrounding us almost everywhere we go. They're in our homes, cars, workplaces, etc. Todays generation is ever increasingly a wireless world. Some people worry over excessive use of cell phones due to microwave radiation exposure. Recently some have shown concern over wi-fi enabled class rooms. Some feel exposing children to these energy fields is dangerous. In the HVAC industry wireless has taken over, especially in older building retrofit applications. You can't see it but the entire building is enveloped with continuous conversation as dampers modulate and lights are dimmed or brightened to satisfy a command from an energy management system.

What do you think? Is a wireless world a safe world? Are you concerned or do you feel there is no element of danger being surrounded by the fields 24 hours a day?

For the record I typed this using a hard wire connection to my router/modem.

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06/14/2011 11:11 AM

My main concern is that wireless=unreliable.
I too use a wired router at home for that reason.
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06/14/2011 11:21 AM

Heinlein had a take on this type of thinking in his book Waldo. Of course, that was written in 1940, so it's not quite up to date, but incredibly insightful to these questions.

Nothing is inherently safe, but I guess it depends on what one is willing to deal with. It almost doesn't matter what you do personally since what your neighbors are doing directly affects you as well.

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06/14/2011 11:33 AM

<.....It almost doesn't matter what you do personally since what your neighbors are doing directly affects you as well....>

That sounds like the foundation stone for a career in International Diplomatic Relations!

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06/14/2011 11:43 AM

There are those that seem to need an electronic wireless device to get from one end of a street to another. While walking along, looking at the device, the individual crashes into some obstruction, like someone else doing exactly the same thing while coming the other way. Dangerous? Perhaps. Hilarious? Definitely!

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06/14/2011 1:11 PM

Some people worry over excessive use of cell phones due to microwave radiation exposure.

Other way of thinking is how many of your customers and suppliers visits are avoided due to cell phone conversations and eventually how much of your carbon foot print is reduced?

Its always give and take

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06/15/2011 9:46 AM

Thanks for the comment. I personally am not on the carbon footprint bandwagon just yet. I know it gives people a nice warm feeling when they brag that the new car they have has a smaller carbon footprint than yours. Or the new heating system they just bought will save them a few dollars a year and also has a smaller carbon footprint. But if you really break it down (like I do) it's nice to save where you can but. Those grapes you eat that are out of season, they came from another hemisphere by ship. Most cargo ships put out the same amount of nasty emissions as 12K cars a DAY. So those tasty grapes you love to eat off season have a footprint as well. Ever get a deal on a cheap tool made in China? Same story, you're contributing to the overall carbon emitted by the ship that brought it to your shore.

I understand your point but I personally have never driven to a business meeting and felt guilty for adding to my carbon footprint when I could have just radiated my head over a cell phone and saved time and carbon output

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06/14/2011 1:15 PM

I think we have opened a Pandora's Box of electronic/electrical radiation that no one fully understands. Kids now have cell phones when they are both psychologically and physiologically immature.

Not to mention the fact that all our personal data is now available for theft. My health care information was stolen, along with a few million others. The provider signed us up for "credit protection". I really feel secure now.

I read somewhere that cell phone towers may be contributing to the decimation of wild bee colonies, who knows?

I have a wireless router at home. I'm hard wired at the office.

There's no way to stop it now.

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06/14/2011 2:18 PM

Public safety is of low concern to those who would profit from the mighty dollar (or euro). Some time ago the EPA conducted a study of the nations power lines. They did not do this willingly, but only after some needling from concerned citizens. What did we expect the findings to be?

The US EPA has determined that the US power grid must be dismantled and rebuilt in underground shielded conduits due to the radiation exposure suffered by citizenry which is causing an increasing number of cancers nationwide.

Not exactly. More like "there is no hazard". Do we really believe that the electrons inside our bodies are immune from radiation excitation while all other electrons are not? Maybe WE don't but then again WE are somewhat outnumbered by the sheeple.

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06/15/2011 10:19 AM

For some amazing insight into what the future might hold for wireless and wired networks and the world in general, read the book "One Second After" by William Forstchen. It's chilling.

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06/15/2011 11:47 AM

I could hardly make it through that waste of paper. I wish it were a little softer so I could have saved money on toilet paper.

I hardly think, according to the soft-middled (and minded) author (who writes fiction about the south actually winning the civil war) and cohort of doom-and-gloom Newt "we're-all-gonna-die-because Obama's-gonna-kill-us-all" Gingrich, that we will all revert to cave-men in America because the west coast was too weak to fight off the Chinese (guns don't require 'lectric pawr).

Hog-wash, pure and simple. Of course, the hero is based on the author because he is smart enough to have an old airplane not subject to EMP. Most vehicles which are not powered at the time of the blast will have no ill effects. Simple EMI shielding used throughout the 70's, 80's and 90's (when electronic ignition systems went into use) is more than sufficient to protect electronic components from the pulse. Damage will tailor off with distance, just as the effects from the nuclear blast (as was the case in the book).

hogwash. Nothing personal.

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06/15/2011 7:54 PM

I wouldn't predict the exact outcome, but I think man is on a collision course with his own stupidity... or short-sightedness, whichever you prefer. I don't think it's going to be pretty.

As pointed out, we are beings composed of electrical processes. To think all the, extra, man-made radiation is totally benign is naive and part of that short-sightedness.

As far as studies, it usually depends on who funded what study. For a smapling...a couple of links: here and here. Not surprisingly, the Wireless Building Automation web site has a lot of "not enough studies," in their analysis. Even naturally occurring radiation can cause genetic damage to cells. To keep riding the fence by saying there aren't enough studies is a bit suspect just because of the nature of the organization stating it. It's like a lot of research. Studies DO cost money. What studies will be funded? Who makes the decision? Who designs the studies?

Bottom line... we all are going to die. Can we have any say so in how? That is the question inside these types of questions.

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