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Neutrinos Probably Have Mass

06/25/2011 11:20 PM

Neutrinos, Neutrinos Everywhere...[1]

Open a particle physics text book from the 1960's, 70's or 80's or maybe even the 90's and there's a good chance you'll see two massless particles mentioned, the Photon and Neutrino. At this point, it is now probable that those textbooks are wrong, the neutrino probably has mass, very very small mass. How small, well, scientists don't know yet, but when a particle has mass, even a small amount, there are consequences.

1. Particles with mass can travel slower than the speed of light (Massless particles travel c). The consequence? There are probably slow moving neutrinos (as well as the more common fast moving neutrinos). In other words, they can be slowed down. Remember though, mass is essentially the resistance of an object to acceleration, so low mass means "easily accelerated". So there probably aren't a ton. However early universe neutrinos that were around during the inflationary period probably could have slowed down considerably (redshifting of their de Broglie wavelengths).

2. Neutrinos oscillate between lepton flavor. Got a Tau neutrino? Well, soon it may be a Muon neutrino or a Electron neutrino. In fact, this was one of the first clues they might have mass. Why oscillate and not decay? I'm not sure of the distinction. I'm reading and trying to understand.

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/3064

Here is the experiment that has recently changed "maybe" into "probably" when it comes to neutrinos having mass.

http://news.discovery.com/space/physicists-observe-neutrino-quick-change-in-japan-110625.html#mkcpgn=rssnws1

Neutrinos with mass opens the door for a possible new type of stellar object, the Neutrino Star.

Exciting times in particle physics.

[1] A nod to The Rime of the Ancyent Marinerea by Samuel Taylor Coleridge. The fact that there are neutrinos all around us and yet they are so hard to detect can be very frustrating for the scientists trying to study them.

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Re: Neutrinos probably have mass

06/26/2011 1:48 AM

I think it was Enrico Fermi who said to the effect that "Had I known there would be all these particles, I would have been a botanist."

No doubt the characteristics of each particle in the "zoo" will be reevaluated over time. (Maybe he should have said "zoologist"?)

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06/26/2011 10:36 PM

Roger-

Light also travels slower than c at times- in fact, experiments at MIT last year (I believe it was) demonstrated that light can actually be brought to a standstill. So, when you say, " Particles with mass can travel slower than the speed of light..." are you also suggesting that just maybe, photons have mass as well?

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Re: Neutrinos Probably Have Mass

06/26/2011 10:52 PM

No, photons are definitely massless particles. Light traveling through a material doesn't actually slow down, but appears to slow down due to what is essentially (and I'm oversimplifying here) self interference. These neutrinos are changing while traveling through a vacuum, something that can only happen if they have mass.

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Light passing through a medium exposes that medium to a varying electric field which in turn creates light (oscillating charges produce electromagnetic radiation) that interferes with the original light resulting in the group and phase velocities slowing in a way proportional to the index of refraction of the material. The original front velocity of the light is still c though, it doesn't slow down till it has had a chance to travel all the way through and create the interference (see link):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_velocity

In fact, the earliest appearance of the front travels at the front velocity c, no matter what the medium.

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06/27/2011 3:44 AM

I think it was around 1990 that I had read in a scientific magazine that neutrinos probably have mass (although very very small)... As far as I can remember, the clue had to do with their behavior concerning their spin... Anyway, this is not sth new and, since then, I always consider that neutrinos have a tiny (but no zero) mass... (Of course, more proofs for such claim by the scientific community are wellcome...)

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06/27/2011 12:11 PM

If it was mentioned in 1990 then it was mentioned as only a vague possibility. There was not empirical proof supporting the hypothesis at that time. Even in 1999 when they observed a gap in the number of muon neutrinos coming from the sun they couldn't be sure. It wasn't until this experiment that much of the doubt was eliminated.

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06/27/2011 2:09 PM

I prefer my Neutrinos with Cinnamon and raw sugar. Now I have to deal with, mass?

They were so much fun when you could eat them all day long and gain no weight at all, now mass rears it's ugly uh, mass, and all bets are off. Next, Wall St. will figure a way to charge for the weight and demand recognition for their amazing insight. The market for new lighter Neutrinos with less fat. will flourish and take over the radio ad markets.

We will not stand for a excessively heavy Neutrino nor will we allow a free and open and blatently unregulated Neutrino market.

Whats next, something that is both a particle and a wave.

You scientists crack me up......

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