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Bad on/off Switch Button

07/01/2011 3:06 PM

The on/off switch (power button) on my external hardrive seems to have gone kaput. It's a press it once, it's on... press it again, it's off, type of button. Now it doesn't catch in the "on" position any more. It powers up when I hold the button in, but doesn't catch.. and springs back out when released.

I have not yet taken it apart to check. I'd like some advice first. Is this type of malfunction something that might be repairable? If not, is there any potential problem or danger I should be aware of if I were to just clamp it somehow to keep the button in the pushed-in position? I'm not exactly an electrical whiz.

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07/01/2011 3:19 PM

What's the make and model of the drive?

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07/01/2011 3:23 PM

Thermaltake BLACK WIDOW BlacX

Hard Drive eSATA + USB Docking Station

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07/01/2011 3:41 PM

So the switch is actually on the docking station?

If so, I think it would be fairly easy to get into the docking station and take redfred's advice.

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07/01/2011 3:42 PM

Yes. It's the power switch of the docking station.

I was told that this docking station that is normally used for PC gaming (which I don't do) can be used as an external, additional hard drive when I plug my second hard drive into it. So I did that and just kept it permanently turned on (except for occasional re-boots)

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07/01/2011 3:30 PM

Depending on the switch mechanics, you may find that you are just SOL. A common problem found is that the tiny dot of grease intended to lubricate the latch mechanism has actually attracted too much lint and debris so that the mechanism never actually reaches the latch position. A simple cleaning of the grungy lubricant will often fix this. Don't go nuts adding more grease. As you may guess, sometimes the stop pin that maintains the latched condition just wears out putting you again SOL.

Even if you are SOL as far as fixing the switch, you may be able to permanently jumper the switch and simply add an in-line switch to the power line.

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07/01/2011 3:41 PM

FYI... The switch has only been activated less than a dozen times. I always kept it in the ON position. Then one day it was OFF, and that was it. Could it be that having it permanently in the ON position, and straining against the spring and whatever latch is in there, the stored energy of the spring fatigued it to the point of failure? I don't yet know the mechanics of the latch itself.

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07/01/2011 3:48 PM

Sure, anything is possible. You might just have been the unfortunate recipient of the one in a million that slipped past quality control. I did a search on the model number of the docking station and saw it at one site for $30. At that price, I'd still consider the idea of bypassing the switch and going with an external power switch. But I would not put much effort in either. Not at $30 for a new replacement.

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07/01/2011 3:52 PM

So, if I can find no obvious fix on the inside, you see no problem with me just keeping it switched on with the small c-clamp I just put on it?

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07/01/2011 6:39 PM

If it's just a manually-operated switch (i.e. it doesn't have any kind of solenoid return to 'ping' it back out at any time), there'd be no difference between clamping it or doing what you previously did - leaving it on all the time. So clamp it.

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07/01/2011 4:10 PM

Okay. Sounds like the GA I was lookin for. Thanx.

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07/01/2011 3:44 PM

I would superglue the button to the in (on) position, and turn it off by unplugging.

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07/05/2011 1:45 PM

Hot Glue, always have your hot glue gun handy

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07/01/2011 7:22 PM

Thank you. Everyone's been very helpful. Crisis averted. GA's for the house! On me!

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07/01/2011 9:49 PM

It may be that the switch "pops back out" on some fault condition. If so, holding it in may create a problem.

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07/01/2011 9:59 PM

Yeah, well that's what I was wondering about. That's why I was asking. But there's nothing in the very short owners manual that mentions that. It's a pretty small simple device. I don't see any sort of re-set or anything like that, anywhere. I would hope that they would mention that if there was a fault condition, the button pops out.

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07/02/2011 12:45 AM

Usually a push button is a N/O or N/C pulse switching device ....so C clamping it or super glueing it would not make any different. The problem would usually occur of the relay latching mechanism caused by heat spark on its contact points .... Go check it out, firstly try to disconnect your hard drive or even your computer, if nothing happened then go for step 2, use avo meter to test the continuity of the switch, prior & after pushed the button..if no problem with it, then go look for the relay....,sometimes by tenderly knocking it, its welded contact point could be realeased.

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07/02/2011 11:10 AM

I have fitted miniture toggle switches in place of push button and slide switches these do the job quite well. There are miniture push button switches available if you check the electronic supply houses.

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07/04/2011 4:06 PM

I have the solution. Custom designed just for you.

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07/04/2011 4:10 PM

HA! Thanks man, but I'm not sure I need to go so hi-tech. My little C-clamp seems to be doing the job pretty well.

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07/07/2011 8:33 AM

If the "clamp & plug works for you, solution achieved. However we stubborn engineers often hate to "not fix" problems. I have designed and produced many electromechanical switches and have found that even the best push-push switch designs loose reliability when miniaturized. An early failure usually indicates a defective/fractured latch component so it is not worth opening it for the purpose of repair.

I would suggest replacing it (if OEM original is available) or with a like or better rated toggle as Garth suggested.

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