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AGM Battery voltages

07/03/2011 8:38 PM

I have just installed a new AGM battery bank (2 banks of 4x6v 350ah giving 24v at 700ah - Charging rates; Absorption at 29.4v and Float at 27.4 as per the battery suppliers instructions). I am using the Morningstar TriStar MPPT-60 controler.

The settings in the controller have been set to achieve battery supplier charging settings.

The system is running all the time to ensure that the frig/freezer operates.

In the morning, the Trace TM500A battery monitor shows 25.4v (fully charged???) but the diodes on the TriStar show Yellow that indicates that the charge is 35-60%.

Later at 26.4v (charging), the Green/Yellow diodes indicate 60-80% SOC.

Can anyone advise me as to whether the stable voltage of an AGM lead acid cell is higher than a flooded cell, and if so, what it is?

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Re: AGM Battery voltages

07/04/2011 11:00 PM

Gary, The AGM batteries I use are 12V 1150CCA, when fully charged they read 13.8V.

These are used in electric boats in Parallel/Series configurations for voltages of 24, 36, 48, 72 and 144. There are anywhere from 2 batteries up to 36 batteries depending on the run time and how many screws are required. I am not familiar with the Morningstar Controller. Are you using 6V due to size constraints? I think possibly the problem is the Controller is for 12/24/48V. Tying 2 6V in series = 12V could be the issue as the batteries are not seeing the full cycle from the charger and the charger is shutting down early. You are not specifying the app. Is it possible for you to move to 1, 12V batteries, or 2, different charger? I suspect the issues are more related to the batteries than the charger, the charger seems a bit more amps than required for the amount and size of batteries.

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07/04/2011 11:54 PM

Hi Jim

Thanks for the comments.

The controller size was selected so as to allow for another set of PV panels at a later date.

I had intended to look at 12v batteries, but the cost didn't fit with the budget, so I retained the prior existing setup of 6v. The controller and PV system is setup for 24v.

Your comment on the AGM's being fully charged at 13.8v (27.6v on my system) against the normal 12.7v (25.4v) of a flooded lead acid would seem to fit in with what I am seeing.

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07/05/2011 12:23 AM

Gary, The one thing I failed to look at was the input voltage on the controller. I assumed it was 120VAC 60Hz. If you are using the charger input voltage from the PV. This I have no experience with yet. That I am about to embark on this mission starting tomorrow as many of our customers want to incorporate PV and WG on their boats to charge their battery banks while underway. So now I am seeing the bigger picture of what you are working on. You really need to look at larger capacity batteries. I understand costs. My cost from the MFG for the AGM batteries right now stands at $435.00 Ea. Put 36 of these in someone's boat and you get Really BIG Eyes looking back at you after our markup, installations costs. Throwing PV and WG and related systems. I can only imagine the costs to go through the upper atmosphere. Then, I expect to get really HUGE eyes!

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07/05/2011 12:43 AM

The system that we use here is 230v 50hz, a household supply using a Victron 24v 3000va inverter to convert the battery outputs to AC. The controller controls the PV panels outputs with 24v feeding into the batteries

I would think that for boats, you would use wind generators for the main supply and PV for backup.

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07/05/2011 1:24 AM

Gary, I see. There is a lot more to your system and questions that need to be re-stated so those on CR4 that can best answer your question. I am much more familiar with 480V 3 Phase 60Hz than 230V 50Hz. Although more familiar with 19,200-34,000V 3 Phase than others. I just started 3 years ago in this DC stuff. One thing about this DC is it doesn't have any where's near the bite of the others if you grab something live. Although the 144VDC does have a bite. I just have not experienced that yet, but have been informed about it. I'm getting older and need to reduce my voltage inputs and shock hazards and figured DC is safer at my age. Maybe, hopefully optimistic anyways.

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09/06/2011 10:35 PM

I would think that for boats, you would use wind generators for the main supply

when not sailing, this could be true, but either or both works. when under sail, though, what seems to me, (a novice ) is that the wind charger that doubles as a water charger works much better. when a boat is sailing, it is pretty much "with the wind", so the amount of power generated is small. but some wind chargers are designed to be reversed, with the mast lowered into the water. now, water has much more drag than wind, so the full power of the wind moving the boat through the water, the wind charger under water is generating max power. this is even at relatively slow speeds. most sailboats only move at around 5 or 6 mph. but when you calculate the volume of water moving through the charger, it is huge, with high torque (i think torque would apply here, but i am not an expert at all).

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07/05/2011 4:16 PM

The specified fully charged open circuit voltage of AGM batteries varies a little with manufacturer. For this voltage to be valid, the battery must sit off-charge for a full day. Then, the difference between flooded and AGM is about .1 - .15V (with AGM being slightly higher. Heres a link to data for different LA types. I'd use it only as a guide, however, because some manufacturers are quite particular re the voltages that should be used.

Any state-of-charge indicator which uses voltage as the indicator is likely to be inaccurate.

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07/05/2011 5:20 PM

Hi K Fry

Thanks for the comments. However, there wasn't any link included in your message.

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