Carbon-Di-Oxide Tax In Australia

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Rather than have a Carbon Tax, use the excess Carbon Dioxide to promote the generation of BioFuels from algae. It works wonders according to some of the reports I read. A Carbon Tax is just one way a Country screws an energy industry, in this instance Coal Companies, and in the end, both come out losers including the people. Who the heck do you think is really going to pay the tax? It will ultimately be taken from the Tax Payers Check Book. This is the stupidity that is coming out of Europe and part of Al Gores plan to make billions of dollars --------- Carbon Tax Credits, etc. What a farce! I think society is going backward instead of forward.

It's all true. The CO tax will be for all companies with the exception on the oil and petroleum industries, because as we all now, they don't polite. Last I heard it will be 2.5% increasing every year for three years then it will be market driven, in other words, how ever much the government is short in their budget. You did not really think they where going to send all that new money on environmental issues did you?

Hi rajeswari,

New Zealand has had a carbon tax, officially known as Emissions Trading Scheme, ETS, for approx 12months. You can find most of the details here, http://www.climatechange.govt.nz/emissions-trading-scheme/ And you may even find an application form if you want to make a donation/contribution to relieve yourself of some cash. It is informally known as the Emissions Trading Scam.

The Australian proposal appears similar, with probably a few more exceptions and Is a proposal at this stage - suggest you do a search for the current status of details.

At least they were honest enough to call it a scheme.

It is designed to allow Dole Bludgers to live free in Tasmania otherwise known as South Greece.

The proposed rate for the carbon tax will be $23 a tonne, increasing by 5% pa over three years, then becomes the 'market' rate....whatever that will be.

There are huge tax relief rates for consumers and polluters alike, so I can't see how it is supposed to decrease CO2 outputs.

It won't. I work at a steel mill and the only way to reduce our carbon footprint is to shut down, which might happen if the government gets its way. What with the new Flood levy, carbon tax and mining tax coming in.

Whatever you think of the reason, the Carbon Tax should work as promised. They've worked out the extra 23$/tonne will cost you (say) $100/year, so the Govt. reimburses you $100 each year.

YOU can now decide to spend that $100 on using energy as you do now (so, no change) OR save energy and spend the money on something else (beer).

This is a neat way of using the free market to change peoples behaviour.

Interestingly, this scheme is introduced by the "Leftish" labor party and is being resisted by the "Rightish" Liberal party who want to use govt. rules and regulations to drive the change.

G'day,

Please do not forget that there is Billions to be paid to the U.N. to ass the Despots cope with AGW. Even though the sea is only "rising" at 3.2mm p.a.

How about emailing the Labor Members, Senators and the Party Machine (Caucus) and complaining. An email does not show what electorate you're from and some of the back-benchers may just get a little nervy, or more so. If you want plenty of information on this AGW affair, the U.N., immigration or similar, have a look at jimball.com.au,there is a lot of information and ammunition there. Speaking of ammo, I can see a case for dealing with an independent or two.

Royce


"Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled." - Michael Crichton

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." H. L. Mencken

I listened to a talk on radio last Thursday. The speaker said if we start now there will be a reduction in BEST CASE SCENARIO.....ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND YEARS !!!!!!!Worst case scenario the time frame is a more moderate FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND YEARS - assuming that nature hasn't changed the rules in the meantime!

My opinion of the carbon tax is..it will shut down remaining Australian industry. We only account for 2% of gross pollutants.

Notice every aspect is just how the pinks like it, they have a pathological objection to Diesel so it gets taxed. No Nuclear or Hydro as you said. The only wish they didn't get granted is the Coal Industry hasn't been shut down, yes the Death by a 1000 cuts method has been applied, but for now it is still keeping us from bankruptcy.

The redistribution of income to those who won't work is their handiwork and will insulate Tasmania against their deliberate destruction of employment in that state. WA and QLD are presently pushing for their fair share of GST revenue which would mean the watermelons would have to fund themselves. This new tax grab will fund professional protestors permanently.

The only possible benefit for real Australians could be a reduction in tax paid by students doing part time work to survive. That however has to be proven.

G'day MJ

I am not responding to you in particular nor from a localized point of view. I could even be a bit off topic, like I was when I replied to a different thread regarding this yesterday. We all have to cut down our consumption and we can, easily. Taxing the frugal is one thing they will never do. Did I just say never?

If you are addicted, no amount of anything can satisfy.

Let me make this a bit clearer. I was in the big smoke (over to the mainland) today. +24 deg.C. Visited one of those office towers, all air-conditioned. For us locals 23 is cool, so I dressed to the nines (in summer we are dressed to the two's when in public) and I just felt right. When I walked into the building I was shocked to find it colder than ambient outside temperature.

These buildings are constructed in a way that they are practically hermetically sealed from the outside world. Just like in many other cities in the world. The AC's just run because they are there. If these buildings would be built with common sense ruling the roost, enormous energy could be saved and is.

This is just one example of spoiled brats that have the technology that they so wished for and not have it under control. Just use suitable architecture, that would save more than any carbon tax. It is easier to cut down ones power usage and to insist on 100% comfort than to build whadeva to satisfy the need for total control.

Save energy, not generate more. I mean, we have no heating here in the tropics (some have and pay dearly, bloody sucks!). Sometimes at night it can go down to +7 to +10 here. That is cold for us hairless Queensland monkeys. Appropriate clothing is the choice we make and at bed time we do what humans do when it is cold and a cuddle comes for free.(Sorry solo dudes)

Aah oh, back to the stone age I can hear people think. Just a little less, not like after cyclones or floods, and we still handled the complete lack of the stuff coming from the socket. It is the only instant way to reduce carbon.

If I had the choice between having a wind turbine or fields of them or alternatively reduce my consumption, live more modest, turn off the lights when only the TV is watching I would choose the latter. This adds up I am doing it since a while now. No need to go for 34.5 second showers but why for 30 minutes? No harm done, at all. No disruption of our normal life, just a bit more attentive to where the stuff comes from.

All 'more big mac's' proponents should go on a diet or see a shrink. If he is any good he will tell you that you will not die if you have a bit less. Yep and the coke too and the other mindless contraptions of pleasure giving devices which help the delusional brains have such a happy life. Less is more, simple.

After all, this is the 21^st century and it would be very nice if we could at last learn from our indulgences and what they bring us. We all know that this has happened before and that mighty powers want to keep it as it is. Build them and they will consume my lovely behind.

Start using less. The worst that can happen is that more time is freed up to start thinking about, re-introducing better architecture. The Babylonians had it all up and running, thousands of years ago. They didn't fail as a civilization because the buildings failed, they failed for the same reasons we are failing now and so have many others.

It used to be the On switch that exited us. Getting people to understand that the off switch would save a lot of tax is very exiting and can be done right now. KISS at its best and it doesn't hurt at all.

This Carbon Tax will cost our money in the end, no doubt about it. Controlling the purse strings has nothing to do with bean counting, it has to do with responsible handling of a drastic situation, never mind the environmental aspects of the whole deal.

Cap not squander, Ky.

G'day Ky,

In my case you are largely preaching to the converted.

It is 14 deg on the kitchen thermometer, the windows are open and I'm sitting here in shorts, love these Mackay winters. (Haven't been to Maggy for years)

Appropriate architecture, we had it once (almost universally). Now we have clowns building all these McMansions with black roofs and no shade for the walls. If an architect designs such a thing in any climate he / she has wasted not only 4 years at uni but a whole school career as well.

Places like Port Hedland have airconditioned houses because people don't want to live there otherwise and yes Townsville can get hot and humid for about 12 weeks, Mackay 6 weeks per year. Why mess up your lifestyle for 1/4 or 1/8th of the year? Even Hedland gets around 15 weeks of beautiful weather each year (the camping season).

Taxing the frugal sure is bad, but the Diesel tax is a pink essential. In the 90s they decided Diesel was bad, but obvoiusly they can't read. Europe has embraced Diesel for the environmental benefits bestowed. Modern Diesels not only liberate less CO2 per Km than Petrols but are fitted with catalytic converters for the particulates and urea reactors to eliminate the NOX. From a driver's point of view having these dumb refugees from society price out of reach technology that produces much better torque and better fuel economy when it is just coming to fruition is a travesty.

Addiction yup. Take it further, Gillard is so addicted to ministerial leather she did a deal with the devil to retain it.

With you being from Townsville you may have heard of what has been going with the Solar fiasco. A large number of arrays are installed on roofs, so the Solar contractors can claim the subsidy, but they are not connected to the mains because the solar contractors in the main are not electrical contractors. Just like the pink batts.

Coke and Big Macs, Coca Cola Amatil was formed in the 70 as part of a larger Amatil organisation that bought into packaging etc. I was working for one of the companies they took over. Amatil is American tobbacco industries limited and they were formed to buy into other industries as there was a push to restrict tobacco. Tobacco has stayed but their influence has spread. The proliferation of junk food started from that date.

What is wrong with the pink tax, is ,not just that it was foisted on us with a lie, but where is the cost benefit analysis? So far it is an idealogical entity forced on us by the loonies with no visible purpose apart from income redistribution.

If it is necessary (and it may well be) to use tax to bring about change, lets have a strategy and lets make sure it is well engineered. What is proposed is as sensible as "earth hour" where the power stations are run at idle for one hour venting steam to control pressure. Once the farce is over there is a mighty inrush that takes more gensets to swallow than the steady state would require.

As for strategies, the pinks want Solar and blow hot and cold on other renewables, but nuclear or hydro are verboten to even discuss. So, OK, what is the Solar strategy? I am not going to trot out the "Base Load" argument as I feel it isn't totally relevant. With a strategy Solar can make a difference in the total "reduce reuse" bundle. Who said Grid Connection is the best option? Without excessive subsidies it isn't close to viable so far and of course the non connected arrays are doing us lots of good aren't they? The lighting revolution is LED and soon OLED. These are Extra Low Voltage technologies and when used at ELV are reliable as well as efficient. Items designed for Low Voltage (say 240VAC) are however not reliable. The voltage reduction circuits being the weak link. LED lights do a great job of replacing the "Horrible Halogens" but if they are the GU10 240VAC variety don't last much longer. So here is the potential lead in for Solar rather than Grid Connection. Motors too for most domestic applications are viable at ELV for the first time in history. An engineered "direct action" rather then the political one we've heard from the other mob.

With the utilisation of ELV, the bottleneck brought about by the "skills shortage" is largely eliminated.

Now to the tax itself and "compensation". Any process that merely gathers and disperses simply introduces a loss to the system, unless of course the "compensation" is selective. Selective is what this one is, overcompensate to buy votes and increase the effective tax rate on those who actually have aspirations and work hard (or in horrible places) to hold their places as "middle income earners".

This tax is an ugly prickly little ball just like the AIDS virus.

How about emailing the Labor Members, Senators and the Party Machine (Caucus) and complaining. An email does not show what electorate you're from and some of the back-benchers may just get a little nervy, or more so. If you want plenty of information on this AGW affair, the U.N., immigration or similar, have a look at jimball.com.au,there is a lot of information and ammunition there. Speaking of ammo, I can see a case for dealing with an independent or two.

Royce


"Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled." - Michael Crichton

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." H. L. Mencken

The Federal Govt have decided that they don't have enough money to balance the budget so they will use the money to do it. Just another tax. what gets me is aust don't have tariffs, now they are going to penalise all the job providers who create work. I am worried for my industry which has seen a lot of plants close lately.

Typical of a socialist govt.

The problem with the Carbon tax in the industry I am in is twofold.

I work in the meat export industry.

Firstly our main competitiors are Nth and Sth American companies who don't have to pay this tax. We cannot go to our customers and say you need to pay more because we have an added cost. We are already at a disadvantage due to farm subsidies which these coontries pay to the farming sector.

Secondly 40% of our emissions are from waste water treatment emissions in the form of Methane. To reduce the emissions we can either reduce our waste which is not possible, or capture the methane and utilise the energy. To do this will cost millions. The Federal Govt are posturing with help for the steel and motor manufacturing sectors, but what about us?

Most Meat export companies run at a loss at some time during the year due to vagaries such as the cost of cattle and what they receive for the end products.

The bigger companies which are offshore owned may be able to direct capital to their plants, but for the stand alone Australian owned companies, the cost will be too great to bear if the Govt doesn't help.

I see a few of these plants closing down or god forbid, buying into Indonesian or Philipino company and shipping livestock offshore. Won't that open a can of worms.

That is what Marxism 101 is all about. Start emailing the Labor back benchers, especially in marginal seats and express your concerns.